Logan, a while back you posted about using older versions of drivers/firmware with the silver card to allow promiscuous mode operation. I have installed the versions you mentioned and with the help of etheral can capture in promiscuous. But now netstumbler won't recognize my card so I have to change drivers, reboot, and flash the firmware to get things working with netstumbler again. Did you have any problems with netstumbler when you changed drivers? Any advice you can give me will be greatly appreciated as this problem is driving me nuts. Oh, I'm running 98 on a dell 3200 if that changes anything.