Are you saying that Surf and Sip charges locations $500 to put in an AP? if that is the case do they pay for the dataline, or are the locations expected to do that. What cut of the revenue does the location receive ?

I can't find anything on heruares site about what technology they are using. Do you know if their service is supposed to be RADIUS/802.1x compliant, or are they doing linux based clients as well... You did mention they where doing AAA and I have to assume that if they are trying to combine WISPs together, then they must be using RADIUS.

Wow... Just went to Avaya's site, that thing is horrible, I wouldn't expect that they would look like some fly by night company, andyway the as-1 is the same thing as Lucent orinocos as-1000 (I'm pretty sure) and Orinoco isn't selling the AS-1000 anymore they have a new AS-2000 http://www.orinocowireless.com/template.html?section=m58&page=2085&envelope=94 which I was actually really interested in, but, if you go here ftp://ftp.orinocowireless.com/pub/docs/ORINOCO/MANUALS/AS-2000_Rel218/AS-2000_UG.pdf you'll see that you have to authenticate into the 2000s RADIUS server with their own proprietary client. Now I'm asuming that just getting people to put the pc card in their laptop is going to be difficult, I don't want to make them install clients if at all possible. So I was hoping to find a box that would do authentication over ssl from a web browser, if thats even possible, not sure about that though.

Thanks for your time Andy, and thanks Thorn,
Roland