HP Pavilion DV4170us builtin wireless works great

ARK101 · 09-01-2005

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/sh...=EC315UA%23ABA

The builtin wireless is an Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection. In a consumer review I've read on this laptop, you should update the card drivers ASAP to use it fully. I had the laptop sitting in the passenger seat of my car today (no GPS, no external antenna jack) and typically, every 3rd-6th building passed had an AP detected by Netstumber 0.4.0. We're talking hundreds upon hundreds in three seperate several hour drives through the South Bay Area. I'd read that the metal frame of the car would keep most of the signals from being detected. Seems like it didn't stop em all :-) Can't wait to get an Orinoco 8470-WD card along with a mag mount antenna.

I'm rather astounded personally not just by the exact prolificness of wifi networks but also how few people shut off the SSID broadcast feature along with enabling 0% encryption. I always knew that the technology's widespread, but wow this was an eyeopener. There's hardly a street you can drive through that yields 0 detections. With an external antenna, there wouldn't even be a 0 detection street probably.

Thorn · 09-01-2005

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Originally Posted by ARK101

[url]... I'm rather astounded personally not just by the exact prolificness of wifi networks but also how few people shut off the SSID broadcast feature along with enabling 0% encryption. ...

Shutting off the SSID Broadcast Probe Response is just false security. While an AP with it turned off it won't be visable to people using active scanners, passive scanners will still detect it in under 1 second. Usually it will be about 0.1 to 0.2 seconds.

Starpoint · 09-01-2005

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Originally Posted by ARK101

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/sh...=EC315UA%23ABA

The builtin wireless is an Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection. In a consumer review I've read on this laptop, you should update the card drivers ASAP to use it fully. I had the laptop sitting in the passenger seat of my car today (no GPS, no external antenna jack) and typically, every 3rd-6th building passed had an AP detected by Netstumber 0.4.0. We're talking hundreds upon hundreds in three seperate several hour drives through the South Bay Area. I'd read that the metal frame of the car would keep most of the signals from being detected. Seems like it didn't stop em all :-) Can't wait to get an Orinoco 8470-WD card along with a mag mount antenna.

I'm rather astounded personally not just by the exact prolificness of wifi networks but also how few people shut off the SSID broadcast feature along with enabling 0% encryption. I always knew that the technology's widespread, but wow this was an eyeopener. There's hardly a street you can drive through that yields 0 detections. With an external antenna, there wouldn't even be a 0 detection street probably.

Welcome to the wireless sheep pen

I think the stats on Wigle will give you a more enlightened idea about how bad it is... last I checked about 65-70% do not even use any form of wireless security measures - not even turning off the broadcast. As you get into this more you will stumble upon alot of wifi setups that are basically "out of the box" default.

To date the only 2 AP's I have seen that come from the factory are the 2wire routers used by SBC DSL and the AMBIT's used by Time Warner cable.

streaker69 · 09-01-2005

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Originally Posted by Thorn

Shutting off the SSID Broadcast Probe Response is just false security. While an AP with it turned off it won't be visable to people using active scanners, passive scanners will still detect it in under 1 second. Usually it will be about 0.1 to 0.2 seconds.

Oh, I don't know Thorn, just the other day I found that turning off the SSID broadcast was a perfect form of security. One of my home users called me out because her son was over with his notebook and needed to get connected to their network. I had turned on WEP and MAC Filtering, and changed their password to the router. He reset the thing back to defaults, left it wide open and turned off SSID broadcast. Yep, he could get connected, but after left, their machine that uses wireless exclusively, couldn't because it's card's driver didn't understand how to connect to an AP with SSID turned off.

6_6_6 · 09-01-2005

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Originally Posted by streaker69

Oh, I don't know Thorn, just the other day I found that turning off the SSID broadcast was a perfect form of security. ... I had turned on WEP and MAC Filtering

Hello streaker69,

SSID, MAC, WEP...

These are not by any means any sort of security.

SSID... can be obtained right off the bat.
MAC... can be obtained when there is any legitimate client connected.
WEP... can be cracked fairly easily nowadays.

In my opinion, having a false sense of security is worse than having no security at all. These are plain waste of time and turning SSID broadcast off might even confuse some legitimate clients.

A minute number of abusers might be fended off with these precautions but it would not mean the network is secure at all.

Cheers!

Maria

theprez98 · 09-01-2005

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Originally Posted by 6_6_6

Hello streaker69,

SSID, MAC, WEP...

These are not by any means any sort of security.

SSID... can be obtained right off the bat.
MAC... can be obtained when there is any legitimate client connected.
WEP... can be cracked fairly easily nowadays.

In my opinion, having a false sense of security is worse than having no security at all. These are plain waste of time and turning SSID broadcast off might even confuse some legitimate clients.

A minute number of abusers might be fended off with these precautions but it would not mean the network is secure at all.

Cheers!

Maria

Maria,

You missed the point of his story. Streaker was explaning that someone turned off his SSID and then couldn't connect to his own AP. It was the user's stupidity which created the "perfect security."

6_6_6 · 09-01-2005

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Originally Posted by theprez98

Maria,

You missed the point of his story. Streaker was explaning that someone turned off his SSID and then couldn't connect to his own AP. It was the user's stupidity which created the "perfect security."

I did realize this afterwards seeing he has 4k posts and he should know what he is saying. But unfortunately, forum is opening up very slow so I could not edit my post. Thank you for pointing out.

streaker69 · 09-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6_6_6

Hello streaker69,

SSID, MAC, WEP...

These are not by any means any sort of security.

SSID... can be obtained right off the bat.
MAC... can be obtained when there is any legitimate client connected.
WEP... can be cracked fairly easily nowadays.

In my opinion, having a false sense of security is worse than having no security at all. These are plain waste of time and turning SSID broadcast off might even confuse some legitimate clients.

A minute number of abusers might be fended off with these precautions but it would not mean the network is secure at all.

Cheers!

Maria

Well no shit. Gee, Ya think it was my first day here. I know what the security measures are. I was making a joke ya know?

6_6_6 · 09-01-2005

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Originally Posted by streaker69

Well no shit. Gee, Ya think it was my first day here. I know what the security measures are. I was making a joke ya know?

Your post came 40 minutes after this one so it would be impossible for you not to read it:

"I did realize this afterwards seeing he has 4k posts and he should know what he is saying. But unfortunately, forum is opening up very slow so I could not edit my post. Thank you for pointing out."

There is no reason to act immature.

M.

streaker69 · 09-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6_6_6

Your post came 40 minutes after this one so it would be impossible for you not to read it:

"I did realize this afterwards seeing he has 4k posts and he should know what he is saying. But unfortunately, forum is opening up very slow so I could not edit my post. Thank you for pointing out."

There is no reason to act immature.

M.

Bite me bitch, had you comprehended it in the first place you would have known what I was saying to begin with.

What the fuck does the forum opening slow have to do with your comprehension of a simple post?

Thorn · 09-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6_6_6

Your post came 40 minutes after this one so it would be impossible for you not to read it:

"I did realize this afterwards seeing he has 4k posts and he should know what he is saying. But unfortunately, forum is opening up very slow so I could not edit my post. Thank you for pointing out."

There is no reason to act immature.

M.

You may want to lurk and read more, and see how the NS Forums generally work. Otherwise, you're going to be leaving very quicly with hurt feelings.

Dutch · 09-02-2005

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Originally Posted by streaker69

Well no shit. Gee, Ya think it was my first day here. I know what the security measures are. I was making a joke ya know?

WHAT??? It isn't ??? I'm going to kill that Groundhog...

Dutch

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ARK101 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4	HP Pavilion DV4170us builtin wireless works great http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/sh...=EC315UA%23ABA The builtin wireless is an Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection. In a consumer review I've read on this laptop, you should update the card drivers ASAP to use it fully. I had the laptop sitting in the passenger seat of my car today (no GPS, no external antenna jack) and typically, every 3rd-6th building passed had an AP detected by Netstumber 0.4.0. We're talking hundreds upon hundreds in three seperate several hour drives through the South Bay Area. I'd read that the metal frame of the car would keep most of the signals from being detected. Seems like it didn't stop em all :-) Can't wait to get an Orinoco 8470-WD card along with a mag mount antenna. I'm rather astounded personally not just by the exact prolificness of wifi networks but also how few people shut off the SSID broadcast feature along with enabling 0% encryption. I always knew that the technology's widespread, but wow this was an eyeopener. There's hardly a street you can drive through that yields 0 detections. With an external antenna, there wouldn't even be a 0 detection street probably.

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