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acidrayne · 05-16-2002

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Originally posted by blackwave

For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...or_smart_cards

Though I am aware that these babies are coming down the pipeline... either it will make it really safe (utopian safe), or make it really easy for the bad people to hide. bad as in bad not meaning good.

Couldn't get this link to go through.

fordem · 05-16-2002

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Originally posted by thewthrman
You know, I travel a great deal for work and am starting to fear the erosion of rights with regard to personal property. I haven't been unlucky enough to be pulled out of line at the airport for the random search yet, but I know that day will suck. I sometimes have a couple laptops in my bag and a spare HDD and cables and non-threatening tools, etc. The guy at the table is gonna drag all my crap out and then, while the overhead bins on the plane fill up with all the other frequent flyers' oversized pull-behinds, I'm gonna have to repack it. I have to check at least one bag now for my various now-illegal-to-carry-on-board tools (which include such things as screw drivers) and my new mag mount antenna.

You're either lucky or you're flying through the right airports - There's primary screening which everybody does and the secondary or random screening that you mentioned. I find that simply carrying a laptop will get you a more thorough search at primary screening - right down to my shoes & powering up my laptop at MIA & JFK, and virtually guarantees that you'll be chosen "at random".

blackwave · 05-16-2002

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Originally posted by acidrayne

Couldn't get this link to go through.

The URL parser added %20 to the url.. here it is with it off..
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=76&e=1&cid=76&u=/nyt/20020513/tc_nyt/vulnerability_is_discovered_in_security_for_smart_ cards

Vulnerability Is Discovered in Security for Smart Cards

acidrayne · 05-16-2002

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Originally posted by blackwave

The URL parser added %20 to the url.. here it is with it off..
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...or_smart_cards

Vulnerability Is Discovered in Security for Smart Cards

Got that to work ... Interesting story ... You are right ... It doesn't matter what they do, someone will always crack it.

Dr3D1zzl3 · 05-16-2002

security isnt the responsibility of the goverment you are responsible to secure your own belongings. I hate when people start thinking that the goverment should make them feel all safe and happy all the time, and in teh proccess ofthat thought they are more then happy to hand over what little freedoms they have.

jus my 3 cents.

blackwave · 05-16-2002

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Originally posted by acidrayne

Got that to work ... Interesting story ... You are right ... It doesn't matter what they do, someone will always crack it.

It is like a phun game.
If someone can do it, someone can undo it.
More than one person thinks of how to do something.
Take for example, the spyware, versus the anti-spyware companies... they have already started to actually disable each others software by rewriting each others binaries...

blackwave · 05-16-2002

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Originally posted by Dr3D1zzl3
security isnt the responsibility of the goverment you are responsible to secure your own belongings. I hate when people start thinking that the goverment should make them feel all safe and happy all the time, and in teh proccess ofthat thought they are more then happy to hand over what little freedoms they have.

jus my 3 cents.

The masses are sheep lining up to get sheared.

Never understimate the power of a large group of stupid people.

Security is an illusion.

... combine all of these and you get stupid people making choices, and stupid people accepting these choices... all the smart people are drowned out by the bahh-bahh...

acidrayne · 05-16-2002

I remember when I first had a tripod webpage and they had those popups that you were forced to add to your page.

Then the Javascript came out that you could add to every page to immediately kill those ads.

Then they changed the script for the ads to force them again.

It is a completely endless cycle where we are just pressing the knowledge of other people.

acidrayne · 05-16-2002

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Originally posted by Dr3D1zzl3
security isnt the responsibility of the goverment you are responsible to secure your own belongings. I hate when people start thinking that the goverment should make them feel all safe and happy all the time, and in teh proccess ofthat thought they are more then happy to hand over what little freedoms they have.

jus my 3 cents.

What is terrible is that security by the government is what the masses want. They want to feel as if someone is watching down the hall of their apartment on the night they almost get raped but not on the night they come home in a drunken/drug induced half-coma looking like a moron with their clothes dirty and smelling of whatever substance they chose that evening.

The masses all want to have their cake and eat it too and what they don't realize is that the cake is spiked with a false sense of security and absolutely no privacy.

"What's that black thing with a flashing red light on our security cake hun?"

"Probably nothing dear ... Just the government watching our house for us to keep us SECURE!"

blackwave · 05-17-2002

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Originally posted by acidrayne

"Probably nothing dear ... Just the government watching our house for us to keep us SECURE!"

Flashbacks of Newspeak, memory holes, hiding my razorblades, and doing jumping jacks in front of a large screen.

mikey · 05-17-2002

The land of the "virtual" free. Somewhere in college (had to be one of those required psych classes) I heard that perception IS reality. If the masses of "sheep waiting to be sheared" think that they are safe, then in their own little world, they are. Just a shame that their worlds have a tendency to collide with ours!

Now I am going out to buy a new black suit and black tie, new sunglasses, and build one of those little "flashy" pens to erase the memories of those poor masses that have seen those pesky aliens! (As the LEO's were carrying off Mikey to the "safe place", he was heard to mutter "Damn thing didn't work again!")

Dime deposited, 6 cents change.......

thewthrman · 05-17-2002

I can already see the 9/11 thing fading. Granted, I do not live in any proximity to NYC, but there are alot of folks elsewhere in the nation that have chosen to move on.

I'm not saying it wasn't a significant event, but in today's world, you can't get all hung up on one day of your life. At what point are we amplifying the impact of 20 soldiers' actions by completely changing our way of life? One localized event shouldn't make us shred the Constitution for the entire nation, in my opinion. It sends the wrong message to our enemies.

But that's a bit off topic. I was offended a bit that my own patriotism was questioned.

I believe we were talking about not being able to sneak a bottle of liquor into a hockey game anymore, weren't we?

Actually, I was at the airport day before yesterday and the secondary screener guy politely yanked some 80-year-old lady out of line, opened her pull-behind and proceded to go through her underwear. Seems to lack any purpose other than to avoid being accused to racial or ethnic profiling. It was appalling. Again, not cool.

blackwave · 05-17-2002

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Originally posted by thewthrman
I can already see the 9/11 thing fading. Granted, I do not live in any proximity to NYC, but there are alot of folks elsewhere in the nation that have chosen to move on.

I'm not saying it wasn't a significant event, but in today's world, you can't get all hung up on one day of your life. At what point are we amplifying the impact of 20 soldiers' actions by completely changing our way of life? One localized event shouldn't make us shred the Constitution for the entire nation, in my opinion. It sends the wrong message to our enemies.

But that's a bit off topic. I was offended a bit that my own patriotism was questioned.

I believe we were talking about not being able to sneak a bottle of liquor into a hockey game anymore, weren't we?

Actually, I was at the airport day before yesterday and the secondary screener guy politely yanked some 80-year-old lady out of line, opened her pull-behind and proceded to go through her underwear. Seems to lack any purpose other than to avoid being accused to racial or ethnic profiling. It was appalling. Again, not cool.

thewthrman, nice flamebait. Obviously you view the world differently. To each their own. Say what you will, it is something you have taken for granted, and it is your right.

lullabud · 05-17-2002

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Originally posted by thewthrman
You know, I travel a great deal for work and am starting to fear the erosion of rights with regard to personal property. I haven't been unlucky enough to be pulled out of line at the airport for the random search yet, but I know that day will suck.

i travel for work too and i've been stopped in the airport for random searches twice with my setup. i had my laptop, gps, frs radio, php book, a ton of cables, some cdr OS cd's, extra wireless and ethernet cards, etc.. the thing is, i don't think that most of the people who man the security stations have a clue. try this sometime in an airport... ask random employees how to get on to the wireless network, even though you know how. in DIA i even called the operator and got transferred around a few times before i gave up, went back for another look and found out it wasn't even a public network but used for some business stuff. nobody has any idea... i guess they can look through your conspicuous gear all they want and give you the eye, but if that's all their gonna do i'd have to pack a dildo in my bag just to make them feel stupid, and of course for the fight club relation... hell, it'd make a great story. at any rate, stumbling isn't illegal, jumping onto somebody's home network using dhcp isn't even illegal but it can still cause an inconvenience due to somebody's ignorance. such is life....

lullabud · 05-18-2002

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Originally posted by blackwave

thewthrman, if you are an American you will never forget 9/11.

interesting perspective of a similar situation we're all familiar with... and can't forget. makes me want to go watch the originals. but yeah, real americans won't forget, and won't try to erase it from history like spiderman, ms flight sims, etc..

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=32776&cid=3536967

oh, another interesting link reguarding 9/11... a little off topic here.

http://www.seanbaby.com/news/terrorism.htm

05-16-2002	#23 (permalink)
acidrayne Slacker Stumbler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas Posts: 476	Popups I remember when I first had a tripod webpage and they had those popups that you were forced to add to your page. Then the Javascript came out that you could add to every page to immediately kill those ads. Then they changed the script for the ads to force them again. It is a completely endless cycle where we are just pressing the knowledge of other people. __________________ Rayne

05-17-2002	#26 (permalink)
mikey Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ga Posts: 9	Just another thought..... The land of the "virtual" free. Somewhere in college (had to be one of those required psych classes) I heard that perception IS reality. If the masses of "sheep waiting to be sheared" think that they are safe, then in their own little world, they are. Just a shame that their worlds have a tendency to collide with ours! Now I am going out to buy a new black suit and black tie, new sunglasses, and build one of those little "flashy" pens to erase the memories of those poor masses that have seen those pesky aliens! (As the LEO's were carrying off Mikey to the "safe place", he was heard to mutter "Damn thing didn't work again!") Dime deposited, 6 cents change.......

05-17-2002	#27 (permalink)
thewthrman Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 11	Functionality vs security again... I can already see the 9/11 thing fading. Granted, I do not live in any proximity to NYC, but there are alot of folks elsewhere in the nation that have chosen to move on. I'm not saying it wasn't a significant event, but in today's world, you can't get all hung up on one day of your life. At what point are we amplifying the impact of 20 soldiers' actions by completely changing our way of life? One localized event shouldn't make us shred the Constitution for the entire nation, in my opinion. It sends the wrong message to our enemies. But that's a bit off topic. I was offended a bit that my own patriotism was questioned. I believe we were talking about not being able to sneak a bottle of liquor into a hockey game anymore, weren't we? Actually, I was at the airport day before yesterday and the secondary screener guy politely yanked some 80-year-old lady out of line, opened her pull-behind and proceded to go through her underwear. Seems to lack any purpose other than to avoid being accused to racial or ethnic profiling. It was appalling. Again, not cool.

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05-16-2002	#20 (permalink)
Dr3D1zzl3 Mental Penis Fencer Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 371	security isnt the responsibility of the goverment you are responsible to secure your own belongings. I hate when people start thinking that the goverment should make them feel all safe and happy all the time, and in teh proccess ofthat thought they are more then happy to hand over what little freedoms they have. jus my 3 cents.