blackwave

BlackWave's Mo-Bile Setup...

// C o m p u t e r
1 Toshiba 2800-S10 dual booting with XP and 2K, and all the software from here to there...
1 Toshiba AC adapter (for inverter, for car-power)

// N e t w o r k (200)
1 PCMCIA ORiNoCo GoLD (90)
1 ORiNoCo proprietary connector to N-Type Male (30)
1 Mag Mount 2.4 Fab-Corp Antenna with N-Type Female Connector (80)

// G P S (340)
1 Garmin eTrex Legend (249)
1 USB to Serial UC-232A Adapter Made for 2k, works with XP. (S10 has no Serial)(30)
1 Garmin Serial Cable (incl)
1 Garmin Car Adapter (30)
1 Garmin Auto Mount (30)

// P o w e r (40)
1 Wagan AC Inverter 150W (40)

// H A R D W A R E
Total = 489.00$USD

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Dave Joyce

Costly indeed. My total was well over $3,200. . . But I have corprate sponsership. My company is developing a scanning service. . .

Hardware:
Gateway SOLO9500
- P3 900MHz
- 512M
- 40GB
- 15"
ORiNOCO Gold + USB to PCMCIA Bridge
Cisco Aironet 350
NetGear MA401 (Prism/2)
Linksys WAP11
SonicWALL PRO100
IBM 4dbi Antenna

I love toys The company is also building a wireless info website. (Soon to be www.WirelessTalk.net )

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David Joyce, CSSA
Network Security Engineer
SafeSectors, Inc.
http://www.wirelesstalk.net/

blackwave

Sigh, what I would give to actually have dollars put into a research and development lab... unfortunately our company turned into a one-winged butterfly...

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Dave Joyce

Hey, you're fairly close to us. . .
check out www.wirelesstalk.net
My company (SafeSectors, Inc.) is sponsering it. Once I can prove that 'stumbling is a viable field, the company is looking at setting up a few cars with scanners

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Network Security Engineer
SafeSectors, Inc.
http://www.wirelesstalk.net/

blackwave

Thanks for the heads up!

I went stumbling tonight for a couple of hours and 40 miles... I automatically connected to the internet so many times it was scary... So many unprotected connections.

Stumbling is pretty fun, though who knows what law enforcement will do when they see a laptop on the front seat with it hooked up to an external antenna and a thing on the dash that says "locating satellites"... and a wave file that keeps saying.. "transfer complete"... I don't want to be the one to find out...

Keep me updated on how your company handles this craziness...

blackwave at hushmail dot com

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Dave Joyce

Ahhhh. . . "Joe Law". . . Thank God for lawyers. Our corprate layer has actually drawen up papers to present to potental clients. (Businesses with open networks) Scanning isn't illegal, but connecting to the network is. .

Be Safe

Oh yeah, the domain just came online. http://www.wirelesstalk.net

Note: We ARE NOT trying to compete with forums.netstumbler.com Just trying to get a larger volume of info available to everyone.

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Network Security Engineer
SafeSectors, Inc.
http://www.wirelesstalk.net/

Dave Joyce

Damn, today was fun Speaking of Joe Law. . .


I was out today, looking for a data cable for my Magellan 310 GPS, and I roll up to a "Drivers License Check Point". . Friggin cops EVERYWHERE! A young cop leans down and says "Howdy Sir, you got your license on you today?" I pull out the wallet and hand him my license. . . He looks at it real quick and looks back in my car. . . He sees the Laptop, the power adaptor, the GPS. . He looks harder at the USB cable. . then back at the screen. . I was so sure that he was going to start questioning me. . but nothing. Not a word. Just hands me back my license, and sends me on. I think it confused him

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Network Security Engineer
SafeSectors, Inc.
http://www.wirelesstalk.net/

blackwave

Oh wait until the media gets bored and starts to refocus on wireless hacking and all the evils it brings to the world... Then Johnny Law will be zapping people that have pda's sitting on their seats with a car charger.... "That there is a hacking device, you are a menace to society...."

Good to see you weren't thrown into a felony arrest...

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sykojester

wow! it's amazing. he asked you to show yer license, you kindly handed it over. just goes to show that 'ruzz stine' is even more of an ass. (for all the people who spent an hour reading that thread).

that proves the point that if you're polite and dont look/act like a jackass, no one will really bother you.

Dave Joyce

What’s more, I know for a fact that I am not doing anything wrong while stumbling. Hell, I carry legal documents showing that fact. As long as I DO NOT connect to the network, I am in the clear. Turning off NetStumblers "Get AP Name" function helps with that. . Given, NS is on the very edge of legal (Kismet is a but more legal, as it's completely passive), I still am not connecting. I also get paid to "stumble", and I know my employer, SafeSectors, Inc., will back me up (or bail me out) if something went wrong.
Bottom line is that if you f$@k with a cop, you are going to get f$@ked right back. If you made it through your teenage years without figuring that out. . . well that's just sad. Try coming out to San Bernardino County some time.

Side Note: the FBI and ATF use San Bernardino County as training grounds, as S.B.C. has the highest Meth Lab-to-resident ratio in the entire country. (That is truly sad. And No, I did NOT know this fact before I moved out here.)

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Network Security Engineer
SafeSectors, Inc.
http://www.wirelesstalk.net/

blackwave

Premise, you are cruising an area stumbling, you are following all regulations to everone's understanding, you have broken no traffice laws, no loitering laws, you look like you are the right race for where you are... and suddenly you see the lightbar in your mirror, and the highbeams hit, and the directionals hit... In panic you look to your seat and see your laptop with the gps hooked, the external antenna hooked, a wave file saying "another one bites the dust" repeatedly... On the screen you have MapPoint2002, with a trail of where you have been, you have NS with all the AP's found so far... perhaps even Sniffer 4.x in the background, waiting... you hear the car door close twice, and see two shadows go approaching opposite sides of your vechicle...

How would action take place where a LEO would pull you over, perhaps see your "Honk if you Stumble", or "Stumble or Be Stumbled" bumper stickers... ask for your info, and explained that they pulled you over because the neighbors were complaining that they noticed that anytime you were in the vicinity their networks logs caught got "All your 802.11b are belong to us"... and that they wanted to inspect your car for any mechanisms that would possibly be doing this....

Of course you want to comply, but you don't want any trouble either...

Would the LEO write you a ticket?
Would the LEO do it (inspect) themselves on the spot?
Would the LEO confiscate your hardware?
Would the LEO call a digital forensics officer to come on down?
Would the LEO pull out his weapon and command you to step out of the vehicle?

What if the harddrive was encrypted, bootlocked and boobytrapped, and you "accidentally" hit the power switch immediately when you got pulled over?

Would they ask you for the private keys?
How bad would they want to get into your box?
How much could you resist? Would it be worth resisting?


Any theories? Suggestions, or other forms of mental masturbation for the what if?

Not enough... ? How about if you have a bright blue mohawk, and have a tshirt that says, "hack'em all, let sysadmin sort them out...", playing's body counts "cop killer" as your stumble music... and a license plate that says HCKINGU.

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ZipperSeven

Seems to me that if a LEO (to borrow blackwave's term) wanted in your machine, they'd need more than just the 'probable cause' excuse to search your vehicle. IMHO, they'd need a search warrant, after all, digital property is enforced under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, as anything on your hardrive is intellectual property. Until some clear-cut legislation comes out that bascially says 'stumbling is illegal', I personally don't think you can be arrested for it unless they prove:

a. that you were illegally breaking into a network,
b. that you were tresspassing, or,
c. that any equipment in your vehicle presented a safety hazard, as some states limit the type of equipment that can be within view or reach of the driver.

My 2 cents.

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cfsapper

Here's one to throw off Joe Law.

They have the right to search anything in the vehicle - but they can NOT open a briefcase to search it - not without a warrant.

Looks like I'll be stumbling with a briefcase ;-)

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blackwave

Create a custom bass box that does not hold speakers, instead it contains a cramped bookshelf pc... almost like some of the ghetto mp3 players, but with added pcmcia cardbus, 2k/xp and NS... you could even connect it to your input to hear the IR wav... the gps could be hidden perhaps in the backseat where a headrest may be but with enough space to get the sats... the antenna could be on the trunk space... though perhaps the popo would question why a speaker box has an antenna plugged into it.. <shrug>

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ZipperSeven

Hmm, just tell him it's your new XM radio rig and you want to keep your brand new 350 dollar Sony XM receiver hidden because you live in a high crime neighborhood. I live in a college town, and that would make perfect sense here.

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