Newbie setup...

jjkaczor · 07-31-2002

My setup:

- Dell Inspiron 8200, TrueMobile 1150 internal miniPCI, no external antenna.

- Garmin eTrex venture.

- Netstumbler 0.3.22 (yes, the last version, as the latest would not detect the TrueMobile under XP, my only OS at the moment)

Results:

Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada

Start time: 8:45pm (the moment I successfully purchased and hooked up the Garmin)

End time: 11:30pm

Results: 96 distinct AP's, and that's with a screw-up, where the system was not collecting any data for over an hour... Over 50% have no WEP...

This was more fun than I've had in years with technology, basically it brings the "nifty" factor back, same feeling as when I started my first BBS over 12 years ago, real eye-opening.

Sh00t3r · 07-31-2002

Right on! I felt that same feeling when I first started stumbling, since then I've been on what seems to be a never ending learning streak to obtain as much info on wireless as I can.

It's weird cuz I never looked or even noticed antenna's, whether there on buildings, towers, or roofs of homes. Now when I'm driving down the road and see these huge 200-300 ft. antenna's my jaw drops to the floor. I'm also eye scanning the roofs of homes and buildings ALL the time now. God its a curse now that i look at it

Glad to see you love it! These forums are a great resource to more knowledge, eat it up!

Kaber · 08-01-2002

all your 802.11b are belong to marius!

jjkaczor · 08-01-2002

Yep, exactly right, I've always been into wireless from afar, but now am noticing the towers as I drive from one area to another.

It's exciting, and cool, in a very geeky way, but what the hell, it's not illegal yet.

I had a conversation with someone at work, and he was quite alarmed. He brought up the old "if the front door is unlocked" analogy, but my response is that:

"it's more like people left their front door unlocked, and placed a pile of their receipts on the lawn, the wind comes along, and blows them around, am I a thief because I accidentally grab one out of the wind, initially wonderring what it was? it depends on what you then do with that information that determines your culpability."

I'm still amazed at the number of un-encrypted, sensitive AP's I found. A news-oriented radio station, an AP with the SSID of "Accounting", etc...

I went out again last night, and the current running total for edmonton is now @170 AP's... and I've barely combed the city.

However, I've not stopped long enough to see if my internal miniPCI can actually connect to a LAN or not, I wonder if it's possible to make an external antenna for this thing or not.

enkrypt · 08-02-2002

Hello, my first post here.

Just started reading today.

To connect an external antenna, you should use a pigtail, if the antenna on your card will come off, correct?

I am just getting into this. There are several ISP's here, that offer broadband, but it costs like $700 set up and $70 a month for 512k speeds. Bogus.

I have been reading the forums for an hour now; not tons of specifically what I need. I have an AP, PCMCIA card in my laptop, what else do I need. Netstumbler? And where do I change the MAC address? At DOS prompt? Or is that for LINUX? And I need to put linux on my tiny hard drive now?

rogerRabbit · 08-02-2002

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To connect an external antenna, you should use a pigtail, if the antenna on your card will come off, correct?

If your card has a jack for an external antenna then the pigtail goes in there - no need to hack out the card's antenna.

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I have an AP, PCMCIA card in my laptop, what else do I need. Netstumbler?

Well I suppose it depends on what you want to do . . . but that should do for a start! (Assuming your PCMCIA card is NS-compliant, of course.)

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And where do I change the MAC address?

In the registry. You'll find the instructions here - try a 'Search'.

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And I need to put linux on my tiny hard drive now?

Only if you're a masochist.

enkrypt · 08-02-2002

Beautiful Mr. Rabit. I have been searching since the post, found some stuff, found some off topic but interesting stuff.

My card is not NS compliant, I'll need a new one.

rogerRabbit · 08-02-2002

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Originally posted by enkrypt
What I plan to accomplish, is I want free internet access at home. Is it reasonable that I could accomplish that without being disconnected? Say, I spoof an address, or "hack" into a high speed connection, what do you think the probabilities are they are gonna cut me off within a day or two?

Mmmm. The straight answer is that it depends who they are. If it was me you were hacking I'd only cut you off after (a) ascertaining your home's location and (b) reverse hacking the hell out of your system. Then I would come round with a LART.

sykojester · 08-02-2002

Quote:

What I plan to accomplish, is I want free internet access at home. Is it reasonable that I could accomplish that without being disconnected? Say, I spoof an address, or "hack" into a high speed connection, what do you think the probabilities are they are gonna cut me off within a day or two?

Nice of you to just come out and blatently admit that you are trying to acertain 'theft of service'. Kudo's to you and all the law enforcement officers that read the board. Don't worry though, your IP is LOGGED

As for probabilities that you will be cut off. Depends on who you're accessing and what they do about it.

***Note: This board and its members do NOT promote or condone illegal activites.

enkrypt · 08-03-2002

Interesting, on the home page, 25% of the survey say that they do it for the access. Woohoo, my IP is logged. Yeah, like I don't care. You are going to be able to do little with chained proxy ips. Months of subeanas for anyone interested.

Then explain to me what all of this is about.

Mr. Rabbit. I am interested how you would possibly be able to find my location, if I simply download let's say, AOL's 7.0 set up file, and be disconnected in 30 minutes. Fat bandwidth is wanted so I don't spend an eternity downloading files.

What makes it be able to find my location?

Thorn · 08-03-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by enkrypt
Interesting, on the home page, 25% of the survey say that they do it for the access. Woohoo, my IP is logged. Yeah, like I don't care. You are going to be able to do little with chained proxy ips. Months of subeanas for anyone interested.

Then explain to me what all of this is about.

Mr. Rabbit. I am interested how you would possibly be able to find my location, if I simply download let's say, AOL's 7.0 set up file, and be disconnected in 30 minutes. Fat bandwidth is wanted so I don't spend an eternity downloading files.

What makes it be able to find my location?

enkypt,
The survey on the home page may show 25% say they do it for the access, but if you stay around here for very long, you will find that a fair number are interested more in keeping people out. We're the ones who are diametrically opposed to that 25%.

So that is at least what part of it is about. NS is also a good tool for locating rogue APs on networks. So that too is part of what his is about.

As for finding your location: You might be as very good with a computers and your claim of the "chained proxy ips", yet it would appear that you know little of radiolocation, or you wouldn't even consider operating illegally from home. Thirty minutes would be more than ample to find you.

And I have to ask: If you are as good as you claim, why in God's name would you even consider downloading AOL's setup files? Or is that just a bad example?

Sh00t3r · 08-04-2002

rogerRabbit · 08-04-2002

enkrypt: one of the reasons that these forums are such a strong resource is that it's a meeting place for all sorts of people: those for whom exploring the technology is an end in itself and those who use the technology daily, for all sorts of reasons. This mixture demands a level of disipline for its success. Look around: not so many kiddies bragging about their latest l33t exploit. As Blackwave has said around here: "with great power comes great responsibility".

And as far as radio-location is concerned: as ever with these sort of things, there's no substitute for trying it out on yourself at home. How long does it take you to home in your transmitter?

enkrypt · 08-04-2002

I appreciate all the information. I have no idea about radiowave location whatever.

I am actually pretty interested in opening a WISP. But there are already a few here, and I want to know if people can just get into them. Namely, someone like me. Lots of computer experience, little with wireless arena.

AOL setup file was something to say to download. Can you even download it? Needless to say, if I ever wanted it, AOL sends in the mail, 10 cd's a month, and you can pick them up at every walmart in america, and tons of other stores. I don't need AOL to slow my 28 connection down anymore.

Thorn, I appreciate your answer, although there is quite a bit of hate in it. I haven't been in these forums more then 3 days, and have been searching hardware set ups mainly. Mr. Rabbit, again, thanks for the response. I know I completely stole this guys thread, sorry man.

Blackwave is who? A member here? That saying has been around decades longer then a member here. I strongly beleive in that saying as well.

I appreciate the n00b answers, and am finding most everything I need from searches. I have ordered a nice little orion gold card (sp) and am going to drive around here and see if there are many networks in the first place, and see about the WISP's and what they have securing their own networks.

I do know one thing about one of them, they are overamplifying their wisp, and are way out of the guidlines of the FCC

Thorn · 08-04-2002

enkrypt,
No hatred meant, and it is unfortunate that you should perceive it that way. I do have nothing but contempt for those who come to this forum for illegal purposes. I make no apologies for that. If however, you are not intending to operate illegally, then I do regret that the tone might be somewhat harsh.

As to operating a WISP. Yes, it most certainly can be done by someone with high computer experience, and little or no radio experience. It would probably be easier the other way around. You will be a disadvantage. Were I you, I would find a local Ham or RF engineer, and befriend them, and then start to supply them with copius amounts of their favorite alcoholic beverages. You will need a fair amount of RF experience to get a WISP off the ground.

07-31-2002	#1 (permalink)
jjkaczor 'family guy' stumbler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Calgary Posts: 269	Newbie setup... My setup: - Dell Inspiron 8200, TrueMobile 1150 internal miniPCI, no external antenna. - Garmin eTrex venture. - Netstumbler 0.3.22 (yes, the last version, as the latest would not detect the TrueMobile under XP, my only OS at the moment) Results: Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Start time: 8:45pm (the moment I successfully purchased and hooked up the Garmin) End time: 11:30pm Results: 96 distinct AP's, and that's with a screw-up, where the system was not collecting any data for over an hour... Over 50% have no WEP... This was more fun than I've had in years with technology, basically it brings the "nifty" factor back, same feeling as when I started my first BBS over 12 years ago, real eye-opening.

08-01-2002	#3 (permalink)
Kaber West Side WarDriver Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 193	We are borg... all your 802.11b are belong to marius! __________________ --"Its my job, to freeze you."

08-02-2002	#7 (permalink)
enkrypt Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5	Beautiful Mr. Rabit. I have been searching since the post, found some stuff, found some off topic but interesting stuff. My card is not NS compliant, I'll need a new one. Last edited by enkrypt : 08-03-2002 at 08:45 PM.

08-04-2002	#12 (permalink)
Sh00t3r Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 199	LOL

08-04-2002	#15 (permalink)
Thorn Did you do the math? Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Villa Straylight Posts: 10,008	enkrypt, No hatred meant, and it is unfortunate that you should perceive it that way. I do have nothing but contempt for those who come to this forum for illegal purposes. I make no apologies for that. If however, you are not intending to operate illegally, then I do regret that the tone might be somewhat harsh. As to operating a WISP. Yes, it most certainly can be done by someone with high computer experience, and little or no radio experience. It would probably be easier the other way around. You will be a disadvantage. Were I you, I would find a local Ham or RF engineer, and befriend them, and then start to supply them with copius amounts of their favorite alcoholic beverages. You will need a fair amount of RF experience to get a WISP off the ground. __________________ Thorn Sex and Violence. You can't enjoy one, if you don't survive the other. (And that works both ways...)

07-31-2002	#2 (permalink)
Sh00t3r Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 199	Right on! I felt that same feeling when I first started stumbling, since then I've been on what seems to be a never ending learning streak to obtain as much info on wireless as I can. It's weird cuz I never looked or even noticed antenna's, whether there on buildings, towers, or roofs of homes. Now when I'm driving down the road and see these huge 200-300 ft. antenna's my jaw drops to the floor. I'm also eye scanning the roofs of homes and buildings ALL the time now. God its a curse now that i look at it Glad to see you love it! These forums are a great resource to more knowledge, eat it up!

08-01-2002	#4 (permalink)
jjkaczor 'family guy' stumbler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Calgary Posts: 269	Yep, exactly right, I've always been into wireless from afar, but now am noticing the towers as I drive from one area to another. It's exciting, and cool, in a very geeky way, but what the hell, it's not illegal yet. I had a conversation with someone at work, and he was quite alarmed. He brought up the old "if the front door is unlocked" analogy, but my response is that: "it's more like people left their front door unlocked, and placed a pile of their receipts on the lawn, the wind comes along, and blows them around, am I a thief because I accidentally grab one out of the wind, initially wonderring what it was? it depends on what you then do with that information that determines your culpability." I'm still amazed at the number of un-encrypted, sensitive AP's I found. A news-oriented radio station, an AP with the SSID of "Accounting", etc... I went out again last night, and the current running total for edmonton is now @170 AP's... and I've barely combed the city. However, I've not stopped long enough to see if my internal miniPCI can actually connect to a LAN or not, I wonder if it's possible to make an external antenna for this thing or not.

08-02-2002	#5 (permalink)
enkrypt Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5	Hello, my first post here. Just started reading today. To connect an external antenna, you should use a pigtail, if the antenna on your card will come off, correct? I am just getting into this. There are several ISP's here, that offer broadband, but it costs like $700 set up and $70 a month for 512k speeds. Bogus. I have been reading the forums for an hour now; not tons of specifically what I need. I have an AP, PCMCIA card in my laptop, what else do I need. Netstumbler? And where do I change the MAC address? At DOS prompt? Or is that for LINUX? And I need to put linux on my tiny hard drive now?

08-03-2002	#10 (permalink)
enkrypt Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5	Interesting, on the home page, 25% of the survey say that they do it for the access. Woohoo, my IP is logged. Yeah, like I don't care. You are going to be able to do little with chained proxy ips. Months of subeanas for anyone interested. Then explain to me what all of this is about. Mr. Rabbit. I am interested how you would possibly be able to find my location, if I simply download let's say, AOL's 7.0 set up file, and be disconnected in 30 minutes. Fat bandwidth is wanted so I don't spend an eternity downloading files. What makes it be able to find my location?

08-04-2002	#13 (permalink)
rogerRabbit Peripatetic Stumbler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Motueka Posts: 219	enkrypt: one of the reasons that these forums are such a strong resource is that it's a meeting place for all sorts of people: those for whom exploring the technology is an end in itself and those who use the technology daily, for all sorts of reasons. This mixture demands a level of disipline for its success. Look around: not so many kiddies bragging about their latest l33t exploit. As Blackwave has said around here: "with great power comes great responsibility". And as far as radio-location is concerned: as ever with these sort of things, there's no substitute for trying it out on yourself at home. How long does it take you to home in your transmitter?

08-04-2002	#14 (permalink)
enkrypt Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5	I appreciate all the information. I have no idea about radiowave location whatever. I am actually pretty interested in opening a WISP. But there are already a few here, and I want to know if people can just get into them. Namely, someone like me. Lots of computer experience, little with wireless arena. AOL setup file was something to say to download. Can you even download it? Needless to say, if I ever wanted it, AOL sends in the mail, 10 cd's a month, and you can pick them up at every walmart in america, and tons of other stores. I don't need AOL to slow my 28 connection down anymore. Thorn, I appreciate your answer, although there is quite a bit of hate in it. I haven't been in these forums more then 3 days, and have been searching hardware set ups mainly. Mr. Rabbit, again, thanks for the response. I know I completely stole this guys thread, sorry man. Blackwave is who? A member here? That saying has been around decades longer then a member here. I strongly beleive in that saying as well. I appreciate the n00b answers, and am finding most everything I need from searches. I have ordered a nice little orion gold card (sp) and am going to drive around here and see if there are many networks in the first place, and see about the WISP's and what they have securing their own networks. I do know one thing about one of them, they are overamplifying their wisp, and are way out of the guidlines of the FCC

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