Radio Controlled Model - Page 2

blackwave · 05-09-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by jher
Why not just take an unpowered balloon, strap an omni to it, a battery pack, and some way to boost the signal? I.E. a very high repeater...

ummm... The signal loss via the low loss cable would turn my antenna into a lightning rod.

- and when it falls, someone will sue..

I rather have covert control when I need to get into tight corners, or sniff.. etc.

carbolic · 05-09-2002

Make sure you fill the balloon with hydrogen.

You will automatically destroy the evidence after a lightning strike.

blackwave · 05-09-2002

Hmmm, yes I can see it now... I wonder how big the hydrogen balloon would have to be to hold the weight of an iPaQ and unclex's Oil Drum Directional... doing some math.. I am going to need a big balloon.

I wonder if it would qualify as a low earth orbiting satellite...

The Others · 05-11-2002

What you need is a flock of canada geese, ideally the dutch "returner" variety. You could strap an Ipaq to one, the GPS to another etc and, because they fly in close formation, string the cables and antenna between them. They could then fly accross a continent (of your choice, just get the wind patterns right) and return terrabytes of AP info back to you. All thay would ask for in return would be some pond weed or what ever it is they eat. At the altitude they fly you'd probably even get some in flight 747 AP's showing up.

But thats just an idea, if you want to fund my research into it send me a cheque/bankers draft (money at your own risk).

The Others - fly by hacking since 1996 - those who dare win

The Others · 05-11-2002

Forget that last post, to be honest I hadn't really thought it through (DUH)

What you need is someway to transcend the physical barriers seperating us on the ground with the AP's on high.

Correct?

This should be as simple as possiable and hopefully wont involve going outside.

Yeah?

Insted of looking for AP's via the airwaves we should be connecting to the other side of them. Through this wonderful internet.

My picture shows all;

1 represents the AP
2 shows me outside working for it
3 shows me at home, connecting, in the warm and dry, through all those other computers.

Will it catch on? Its got to be better than a goose.

blackwave · 05-11-2002

blackwave sees The Others laying on a lazy-boy in front of The Others is a wok sized bowl filled with *shrooms, now half empty...

The Others is laying back with a tape recorder taped to the head, so that any of the smallest whispers are heard and logged.

We want to make sure we don't miss any one of these jewels...

**Note: The author, the target, or this board does not condone substance abuse, mind-controlling, mind-altering abuse in any form or fashion, here and within thereof.

jher · 05-11-2002

actually, what I was intending on proposing wasn't hanging an ipaq from the balloon, it was getting something high enough in the air that could boost any signal it was picking up and rebroadcast it such that you could pick it up.

Same sort of concept as the nocat.net fella did with the two pringles cans + nics, battery on the side of the mountain to bridge his house to his office.

You could probably setup a pringles can antenna on a large mountain somewhere and slowly turn it to stumble across APs. However you'd miss out on the GPS coordinates that way.

blackwave · 05-11-2002

Perhaps there is an equation/algorithm that can be used for the gain versus the relative position. This could not probably account for the unaccounted amplification of the transmitting devices that are stumbled upon. Though if enough of an area is mapped it may be possible to deduce where the epicenter of a tranmission is... and that is also if the amplified system is using one point of transmission. I will have to do some more research.

blackwave · 05-11-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by jher
it was getting something high enough in the air that could boost any signal it was picking up and rebroadcast it such that you could pick it up.

Same sort of concept as the nocat.net fella did with the two pringles cans + nics, battery on the side of the mountain to bridge his house to his office.

You could probably setup a pringles can antenna on a large mountain somewhere and slowly turn it to stumble across APs. However you'd miss out on the GPS coordinates that way.

I am not too sure this would fly by the FCC too well... perhaps if it was all passive there wouldn't be a problem.. but you want to rebroadcast and transmitting over x amout of wattage is going to get you in trouble.

A way to get around this if you were lucky would have to be to go optical and almost have a laser quality repeater. The signal would have to be powerful enough not to dissipate, diffuse, and degrade. If you wanted to use radio waves you would have to find an unused/unregulated frequency high enough for this focus... though optical bursts would be your best bet for not being detected... though someone with the right type of visuals may be able to see the bursts and do further investigations.. and if it leads straight to your pad.. you are SOL, no plausible deniability there.

*NOTE: All information posted here is for informational and educational purposes only. If you get yourself killed or arrested that is your fault. By just looking at this you have a agreed.

lullabud · 05-11-2002

that's bullet-proof. how can i invest?

carbolic · 05-13-2002

Check out these dudes:
http://www.silcomtech.com/freepap.htm

"Up to" 155Mbps laser links. But I hear they are real susceptible to weather and vibration.

jher · 06-24-2002

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0851701.html

blackwave · 06-24-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by jher
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0851701.html

I think you meant to post this article, opposed to the definition of a weather balloon

Weather balloons to plug wireless gaps
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/0....ap/index.html

jher · 06-24-2002

er, shit. Yeah. I musta c&p the wrong link.

Birdra · 06-24-2002

I think a radio controlled blimp or balloon woould be best. You're not wasting power on lift off. Also, you could devise emergency release mechanism to drop payload.

I want to to see the rocket powered ministumbler ;-)

05-09-2002	#17 (permalink)
carbolic Move Zig Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 107	Balloon Make sure you fill the balloon with hydrogen. You will automatically destroy the evidence after a lightning strike. __________________ www.SoCalWUG.org

05-09-2002	#18 (permalink)
blackwave Do I look like I'm joking Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: SoCal, OC Posts: 4,507	Hmmm, yes I can see it now... I wonder how big the hydrogen balloon would have to be to hold the weight of an iPaQ and unclex's Oil Drum Directional... doing some math.. I am going to need a big balloon. I wonder if it would qualify as a low earth orbiting satellite... __________________ -=BW=-

05-11-2002	#21 (permalink)
blackwave Do I look like I'm joking Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: SoCal, OC Posts: 4,507	Nice, keep going... we want it all... blackwave sees The Others laying on a lazy-boy in front of The Others is a wok sized bowl filled with shrooms, now half empty... The Others is laying back with a tape recorder taped to the head, so that any of the smallest whispers are heard and logged. We want to make sure we don't miss any one of these jewels... *Note: The author, the target, or this board does not condone substance abuse, mind-controlling, mind-altering abuse in any form or fashion, here and within thereof. __________________ -=BW=-

05-11-2002	#22 (permalink)
jher Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: austin, tx Posts: 50	actually, what I was intending on proposing wasn't hanging an ipaq from the balloon, it was getting something high enough in the air that could boost any signal it was picking up and rebroadcast it such that you could pick it up. Same sort of concept as the nocat.net fella did with the two pringles cans + nics, battery on the side of the mountain to bridge his house to his office. You could probably setup a pringles can antenna on a large mountain somewhere and slowly turn it to stumble across APs. However you'd miss out on the GPS coordinates that way. Last edited by jher : 05-11-2002 at 03:27 PM.

05-13-2002	#26 (permalink)
carbolic Move Zig Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 107	Laserlink Check out these dudes: http://www.silcomtech.com/freepap.htm "Up to" 155Mbps laser links. But I hear they are real susceptible to weather and vibration. __________________ www.SoCalWUG.org

05-11-2002	#19 (permalink)
The Others PeaceDriver Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dos Palabras, Mandoras Posts: 2,920	What you need is a flock of canada geese, ideally the dutch "returner" variety. You could strap an Ipaq to one, the GPS to another etc and, because they fly in close formation, string the cables and antenna between them. They could then fly accross a continent (of your choice, just get the wind patterns right) and return terrabytes of AP info back to you. All thay would ask for in return would be some pond weed or what ever it is they eat. At the altitude they fly you'd probably even get some in flight 747 AP's showing up. But thats just an idea, if you want to fund my research into it send me a cheque/bankers draft (money at your own risk). The Others - fly by hacking since 1996 - those who dare win

05-11-2002	#25 (permalink)
lullabud Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Silicon Valley Posts: 261	that's bullet-proof. how can i invest?

06-24-2002	#27 (permalink)
jher Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: austin, tx Posts: 50	And you guys said my balloon idea was crazy! http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0851701.html

06-24-2002	#29 (permalink)
jher Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: austin, tx Posts: 50	er, shit. Yeah. I musta c&p the wrong link.

06-24-2002	#30 (permalink)
Birdra Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1	Blimp I think a radio controlled blimp or balloon woould be best. You're not wasting power on lift off. Also, you could devise emergency release mechanism to drop payload. I want to to see the rocket powered ministumbler ;-)

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