setup ideas

zoro25 · 08-04-2002

SHould I be going for an Ipac or Laptop?. . . I'd prefer the ipac for ease of travel . . but is one better than the other?. .does the ipac run windows?

Sloud I get the gold or silver orinoco . . I thought the silver was the better version for strolling but on the defcon links it seems that most people are using gold?

do you stil need an Ariel/Dish for strolling?

any help welcome

ta

bwsaloum · 08-04-2002

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Originally posted by zoro25
SHould I be going for an Ipac or Laptop?. . . I'd prefer the ipac for ease of travel . . but is one better than the other?. .does the ipac run windows?

Sloud I get the gold or silver orinoco . . I thought the silver was the better version for strolling but on the defcon links it seems that most people are using gold?

do you stil need an Ariel/Dish for strolling?

any help welcome

ta

Zoro,

Since I already had a laptop at my disposal, my choice was already made for me...

BUT, if I had it to do all over again, I'd definately go with the iPAQ. Just from the conveniance and concealibility standpoint. If memory serves correct, the iPAQ uses Winders CE, and all you really need is the PCMCIA cradle and a wireless card and you're pretty good to go.

As for a larger antenna, well, again, that depends on your application. If you're in an environment where you can walk and get to just about any area (or close to), like a college campus, or down town in a major metro area, then personally, I doubt if I'd go for the big ears.

However, if you're anything like me and you spend a lot of time driving, then maybe a good omni yagi is what you need. And if you're a dumbass like me and don't understand the math behind building antennae, then you may want to do some research and find a commersial version.

But, yet again, it's all personal requirements.

Hope that helps,

bws

Thorn · 08-04-2002

Comment about antennae in general: An omni is preferable for just wardriving, as it will receive equally from all directions. A directional, because it only looks in a narrow direction will miss many APs that aren't in that plane. Think about binoculars; better seeing in that direction, but a very narrow field of vision.

lincomatic · 08-04-2002

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Originally posted by zoro25
SHould I be going for an Ipac or Laptop?. . . I'd prefer the ipac for ease of travel . . but is one better than the other?. .does the ipac run windows?

Sloud I get the gold or silver orinoco . . I thought the silver was the better version for strolling but on the defcon links it seems that most people are using gold?

do you stil need an Ariel/Dish for strolling?

1) no, the ipaq runs WindowsCE, specifically the PocketPC version.
i like ministumbling w/ the ipaq because it's more discreet and easier to deal with both in the car and walking.
2) the gain on the silver & gold are the same. it's the same h/w only diff is the f/w for 128bit WEP in the gold.
3) like the others said, omni is the way to go to find the AP's. bws, yagi's are directional, not omni.

damage · 08-04-2002

Being lucky enough to have both for my business I find I use the iPAQ more than the laptop for stumbling due to ease of use and convenience however if you want to go serious and do penetration testing and vulnerability assesment (all with the permission of the network admin of course) you will need the laptop to do it properly.

As far as antenna's go I have a mag mount omni for the car and a omni-blade with velcro for walking.

bwsaloum · 08-04-2002

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Originally posted by lincomatic

3) like the others said, omni is the way to go to find the AP's. bws, yagi's are directional, not omni.

oops, by bad... long weekend again... been going on 38 years and I still haven't mastered this sleep thing yet...

bws

zoro25 · 08-05-2002

Thanks for all the help and advice people . . .

Well thats the first thing off my shopping list. .
just brought an IPAQ 3630

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=1369986891

Also brought an Orinoco wirless device today . . but it was a USB one for my desktop. . maybe a portable card (silver or gold in the next few days). .

once again thanks

PS lincomatic that GPS looks great . . on your setup . . do I have to be careful about ordering these making sure they do UK maps?

lincomatic · 08-05-2002

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Originally posted by zoro25
Also brought an Orinoco wirless device today . . but it was a USB one for my desktop. . maybe a portable card (silver or gold in the next few days). .

once again thanks

PS lincomatic that GPS looks great . . on your setup . . do I have to be careful about ordering these making sure they do UK maps?

btw if you want to save $$ and don't use the desktop & ipaq simultaneously, there is an ORiNOCO PCMCIA card inside the USB
which you can take out and put into the ipaq.

for the GPS, just make sure the unit you get does NMEA output. what maps they can handle is dependent on the software you use, not the GPS hardware (unless you are looking for a h/w & s/w bundle)

zoro25 · 08-05-2002

thanks for the money saver. . . I'll be taking the card out when strolling and in for surfing. .

I imagine it just slots back in (like a PCI adapter?)

lincomatic · 08-05-2002

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Originally posted by zoro25
thanks for the money saver. . . I'll be taking the card out when strolling and in for surfing. .

I imagine it just slots back in (like a PCI adapter?)

yes, here are the photos:

http://www.frars.org.uk/cgi-bin/render.pl?pageid=1089

basically, the top just pops off the bottom. i usually don't bother snapping the top onto the bottom all the way so it's easy to open up the case.

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zoro25 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Reading UK Posts: 18	setup ideas SHould I be going for an Ipac or Laptop?. . . I'd prefer the ipac for ease of travel . . but is one better than the other?. .does the ipac run windows? Sloud I get the gold or silver orinoco . . I thought the silver was the better version for strolling but on the defcon links it seems that most people are using gold? do you stil need an Ariel/Dish for strolling? any help welcome ta __________________ All security can be circumvented . . all it takes is time

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Thorn Did you do the math? Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Villa Straylight Posts: 10,008	Comment about antennae in general: An omni is preferable for just wardriving, as it will receive equally from all directions. A directional, because it only looks in a narrow direction will miss many APs that aren't in that plane. Think about binoculars; better seeing in that direction, but a very narrow field of vision. __________________ Thorn Sex and Violence. You can't enjoy one, if you don't survive the other. (And that works both ways...)

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zoro25 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Reading UK Posts: 18	Thanks Thanks for all the help and advice people . . . Well thats the first thing off my shopping list. . just brought an IPAQ 3630 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=1369986891 Also brought an Orinoco wirless device today . . but it was a USB one for my desktop. . maybe a portable card (silver or gold in the next few days). . once again thanks PS lincomatic that GPS looks great . . on your setup . . do I have to be careful about ordering these making sure they do UK maps? __________________ All security can be circumvented . . all it takes is time Last edited by zoro25 : 08-05-2002 at 10:33 AM.

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zoro25 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Reading UK Posts: 18	thanks for the money saver. . . I'll be taking the card out when strolling and in for surfing. . I imagine it just slots back in (like a PCI adapter?) __________________ All security can be circumvented . . all it takes is time

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damage Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 173	Being lucky enough to have both for my business I find I use the iPAQ more than the laptop for stumbling due to ease of use and convenience however if you want to go serious and do penetration testing and vulnerability assesment (all with the permission of the network admin of course) you will need the laptop to do it properly. As far as antenna's go I have a mag mount omni for the car and a omni-blade with velcro for walking.