Appropriate Use Policies

sparafina · 07-03-2002

Just in case you were thinking of setting up a AP for a wireless freenet, following link is an analysis of AUPs from Austin, TX ISPs.

http://www.austinwireless.net/index.cgi/RuleSets

In this case, it looks like sharing is bad.

Starman · 07-03-2002

Sharing has ALWAYS been bad. In the eyes of an ISP, it's like sharing cable TV. I'm amazed at how much support there is for a "free worldwide internet" when in fact, it's against the rules of the ISP these people signed up with!

Doesn't ANYONE read the agreement?

Servers are not allowed either (web, hotline, etc).

Mike

sparafina · 07-03-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by Starman
Sharing has ALWAYS been bad. In the eyes of an ISP, it's like sharing cable TV.

This also includes NAT. For Time Warner I think its an additional $15/month per computer. Oh yeah, Time Warner makes you pay and additional $50 for basic cable (essentially local channels) to get cable modem service. Must be nice to own a monopoly.

sykojester · 07-03-2002

actually, i've noticed that most companies that provide cable tv & cable internet require you have some sort of basic cable tv service (or they tack on a surcharge that = more than basic cable).

I've found the reason for this to be fairly simple. When you have cable internet...there is no easy (& cheap) way for them to block the signal for cable tv *without* hindering your inet connection.
This prevents ppl for signing up for cable inet & going "oh sweet, we got free cable too".

hehe

The Others · 07-04-2002

Quote:

Servers are not allowed either

A lot of people that install firewalls are amazed about how many "hack" attempts they've received.

In fact, it's just their ISP checking they don't run servers.

Get a good firewall or your ISP will know you're sharing your connection

sparafina · 07-04-2002

<RANT>Unfortunately the cable companies are the only ones with a workable last mile solution for most of the US. For some reason, despite a huge telecom build out and living in the third most wired city in the US, I don't have any alternatives to cable. Having to pay an install fee for equipment thats alreadly in place and an additional $50 for local stations just adds insult to injury. I would be happy to pay that amount if I got additional service such as a static ip.</RANT>

Anyway, cable companies are takiing notice of wireless connections.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/01/te...gy/01WIFI.html

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I've seen more than a few post here and elsewhere that folks are sharing connections.

Starman · 07-04-2002

Quote:

Get a good firewall or your ISP will know you're sharing your connection

While I see my ISP actually checking myy ports, my friend ran a Hotline server for three years on an unpopular port (# 2044) and was told by his ISP that he is in fact running a server. He wasn't shut down but they did warn him about a large amount of incoming traffic.

They know no matter what port # you use. They have the ability to track incoming requests. Just because one ISP allows you to get away with it doesn't mean the next one isn't smarter.

Mike

ssr · 07-08-2002

OK, perhaps I'm just lucky...

DSL for 3 Adults, 640 up and down, 16 Static IP addys, no problem running a web server, all for $175.00 a month.....

Equates to about 58.00 per month per person. Got a good deal on a business account....

The ISP is on their toes, but we pay for the bandwidth and they know we're running servers... Not had any real problems... Of course I changed the password on the routher and put up a firewall... Just in case

mentat · 07-09-2002

The going rate for the WISP here is $200 for 1.5 MB up / down and you can resell it in any form as much as you want. You can add another MB for something like ~$50-75. There's also no contract. Pretty sweet deal.

shok_wave · 07-09-2002

According to the article about Time Warner, titled "A Dispute Over Wireless Networks " posted on the NYTimes site, Time Warner actually trolls various forums of "hotspot" websites!

From that information they even sent out emails to their customers who posted on those forums, to inform them of the violation of the "fair use" agreement.

Another good reason to:

1. Guard your true identity online.
2. Don't be an idiot and openly adertise something that violates a contract you've signed.
3. Share your Internet regardless, just to spite Big Brother.

UPDATE:

This is my oppinion, I'm not telling you to share your internet, violate contracts, or even think bad thoughts about some monster-of-a-corporation.

Thorn · 07-09-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by shok_wave
According to the article about Time Warner, titled "A Dispute Over Wireless Networks " posted on the NYTimes site, Time Warner actually trolls various forums of "hotspot" websites!

From that information they even sent out emails to their customers who posted on those forums, to inform them of the violation of the "fair use" agreement.

Another good reason to:

1. Guard your true identity online.
2. Don't be an idiot and openly adertise something that violates a contract you've signed.
3. Share your Internet regardless, just to spite Big Brother.

Well, there are other options:
1) Sign up with an ISP that allows an AP.
2) Don't violate a contract you've signed. It's called character.

No one who has signed one of those contracts can bitch. It says that sharing isn't allowed in black and white. If you as a customer find that isn't to your liking, find another provider.

Simple, and it keeps you honest.

Why is everyone shocked that Time Warner is protecting their interests? Personally, I would never let them provide my service; but I can't fault them for going after customers who are loudly proclaiming that they are violating the contracts. People who steal services are usually called thieves.

shok_wave · 07-09-2002

Agreed.

I would do the same, if I were a service provider.

And, after reading your post, I realized I needed a handy-dandy disclaimer...I thought I was being funny with the third reason, but after reading it I realized tone-of-voice is lost.

One day I'll learn to effectively use emoticons.

jroysdon · 07-12-2002

One thing to keep in mind if you run a wide open AP: If someone is launching attacks from your IPs, and a victim gets your ISP involved, you'll probably lose your account or at least get a stiff warning.

Right now I'm bridging my two APs, but once I get my house cabled and I can uses them as APs, I'm going to run open free access, but stick it behind a second NIC and force proxy access (force redirect of any webpage to my "TOS" which will have proxy settings). The only protocols I'm planning to allow straight out are SSH and ISAKMP/IPSEC so someone can connect securely to their own server or work VPN... no way to launch an attack sourced off my IPs from that.

As nice as it is to share bandwidth, you need to do so responsibly.

07-03-2002	#1 (permalink)
sparafina Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Julie Speed Posts: 1,430	Appropriate Use Policies Just in case you were thinking of setting up a AP for a wireless freenet, following link is an analysis of AUPs from Austin, TX ISPs. http://www.austinwireless.net/index.cgi/RuleSets In this case, it looks like sharing is bad.

07-08-2002	#8 (permalink)
ssr Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 3	OK, perhaps I'm just lucky... DSL for 3 Adults, 640 up and down, 16 Static IP addys, no problem running a web server, all for $175.00 a month..... Equates to about 58.00 per month per person. Got a good deal on a business account.... The ISP is on their toes, but we pay for the bandwidth and they know we're running servers... Not had any real problems... Of course I changed the password on the routher and put up a firewall... Just in case __________________ The Stainless Steel Rat Last edited by ssr : 07-08-2002 at 11:57 PM.

07-09-2002	#10 (permalink)
shok_wave Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 19	Time Warner Trolls "hotspot" forums According to the article about Time Warner, titled "A Dispute Over Wireless Networks " posted on the NYTimes site, Time Warner actually trolls various forums of "hotspot" websites! From that information they even sent out emails to their customers who posted on those forums, to inform them of the violation of the "fair use" agreement. Another good reason to: 1. Guard your true identity online. 2. Don't be an idiot and openly adertise something that violates a contract you've signed. 3. Share your Internet regardless, just to spite Big Brother. UPDATE: This is my oppinion, I'm not telling you to share your internet, violate contracts, or even think bad thoughts about some monster-of-a-corporation. Last edited by shok_wave : 07-09-2002 at 01:19 PM.

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07-03-2002	#2 (permalink)
Starman Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 15	Sharing has ALWAYS been bad. In the eyes of an ISP, it's like sharing cable TV. I'm amazed at how much support there is for a "free worldwide internet" when in fact, it's against the rules of the ISP these people signed up with! Doesn't ANYONE read the agreement? Servers are not allowed either (web, hotline, etc). Mike

07-03-2002	#4 (permalink)
sykojester Net Lurker - phjear Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 371	actually, i've noticed that most companies that provide cable tv & cable internet require you have some sort of basic cable tv service (or they tack on a surcharge that = more than basic cable). I've found the reason for this to be fairly simple. When you have cable internet...there is no easy (& cheap) way for them to block the signal for cable tv without hindering your inet connection. This prevents ppl for signing up for cable inet & going "oh sweet, we got free cable too". hehe

07-04-2002	#6 (permalink)
sparafina Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Julie Speed Posts: 1,430	<RANT>Unfortunately the cable companies are the only ones with a workable last mile solution for most of the US. For some reason, despite a huge telecom build out and living in the third most wired city in the US, I don't have any alternatives to cable. Having to pay an install fee for equipment thats alreadly in place and an additional $50 for local stations just adds insult to injury. I would be happy to pay that amount if I got additional service such as a static ip.</RANT> Anyway, cable companies are takiing notice of wireless connections. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/01/te...gy/01WIFI.html (requires registration) I've seen more than a few post here and elsewhere that folks are sharing connections.

07-09-2002	#9 (permalink)
mentat Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: CT Posts: 476	The going rate for the WISP here is $200 for 1.5 MB up / down and you can resell it in any form as much as you want. You can add another MB for something like ~$50-75. There's also no contract. Pretty sweet deal.

07-09-2002	#12 (permalink)
shok_wave Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 19	Agreed. I would do the same, if I were a service provider. And, after reading your post, I realized I needed a handy-dandy disclaimer...I thought I was being funny with the third reason, but after reading it I realized tone-of-voice is lost. One day I'll learn to effectively use emoticons.

07-12-2002	#13 (permalink)
jroysdon Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 21	One thing to keep in mind if you run a wide open AP: If someone is launching attacks from your IPs, and a victim gets your ISP involved, you'll probably lose your account or at least get a stiff warning. Right now I'm bridging my two APs, but once I get my house cabled and I can uses them as APs, I'm going to run open free access, but stick it behind a second NIC and force proxy access (force redirect of any webpage to my "TOS" which will have proxy settings). The only protocols I'm planning to allow straight out are SSH and ISAKMP/IPSEC so someone can connect securely to their own server or work VPN... no way to launch an attack sourced off my IPs from that. As nice as it is to share bandwidth, you need to do so responsibly.