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Old 03-16-2008   #16 (permalink)
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I agree with this. I have two AP's at work, one broadcasts one doesn't. The one that doesn't, has only one client that is supposed to connect to it, and it's hardcoded to connect to only that AP. As for a hacker finding it, good luck I say, it's in a big metal building, when the garage door is down, you can't even pick up a broadcast from it. If the door is up, I'd think I'd notice someone sitting in their car in the parking lot screwing around with it. Plus, I have my syslog server email me everytime someone connects to that AP.

The other one is just an AP that I turn on in the conference room if we're having guests. It does broadcast, and that's just because it's easier for the clueless. When there's no one using the room, I actually turn the AP off completely.

But I do understand SP's point. In the place he was describing, it would be easy for someone to setup camp and not be noticed.
I did the same thing when I was at Alpha Circuits... had the Engenuis's AP's locked down, not broadcasting etc.. for the company use, and each of the 3 conference rooms had a linksys WAP that would allow internet access, all they had to do is throw a switch on the wall and it would go live.

So when I pointed out to this guy that Wifi has its uses in corp. America, it also has its risks.

Like a woman have unprotected sex without practicing a form of birth control.... sooner or later they get knocked up, or they contract a disease.

Its how you minimize the risks that counts. This guy was not taking steps it would seem to do so.

And I bet if I wanted to I could do a scan of his building, find the AP, and log into it. I won't because I know better and 2) sooner or later someone will jack with his network.
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I did the same thing when I was at Alpha Circuits... had the Engenuis's AP's locked down, not broadcasting etc.. for the company use, and each of the 3 conference rooms had a linksys WAP that would allow internet access, all they had to do is throw a switch on the wall and it would go live.

So when I pointed out to this guy that Wifi has its uses in corp. America, it also has its risks.

Like a woman have unprotected sex without practicing a form of birth control.... sooner or later they get knocked up, or they contract a disease.

Its how you minimize the risks that counts. This guy was not taking steps it would seem to do so.

And I bet if I wanted to I could do a scan of his building, find the AP, and log into it. I won't because I know better and 2) sooner or later someone will jack with his network.
What needs to be developed is Switchgear that is able to read a company calendar like Exchange or Lotus. When someone schedules a conference room, they could check a box that Wifi is needed and when it comes time for the conference, the switchgear automatically turns on the port, and when it's over, it turns it off.
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What needs to be developed is Switchgear that is able to read a company calendar like Exchange or Lotus. When someone schedules a conference room, they could check a box that Wifi is needed and when it comes time for the conference, the switchgear automatically turns on the port, and when it's over, it turns it off.
That would be nice... or... have some sensors detecting people in the room.. if it does not sense live bodies, it turns off after _____ minutes. might mean that over a lunch break it powers off but hey.. its secure.
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That would be nice... or... have some sensors detecting people in the room.. if it does not sense live bodies, it turns off after _____ minutes. might mean that over a lunch break it powers off but hey.. its secure.
That is easily done already. We have sensors in our offices that turn our lights on and off. They're active IR and sound sensors. They could easily be wired into an electrical outlet.

I just think the integrated switches would be really cool.
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That is easily done already. We have sensors in our offices that turn our lights on and off. They're active IR and sound sensors. They could easily be wired into an electrical outlet.

I just think the integrated switches would be really cool.
Yeah...
Another way would be to set it so that the MAC address of the AP is either allowed or dis-allowed traffic. AP stays powered up all the time, but is given Network love and joy when needed
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What needs to be developed is Switchgear that is able to read a company calendar like Exchange or Lotus. When someone schedules a conference room, they could check a box that Wifi is needed and when it comes time for the conference, the switchgear automatically turns on the port, and when it's over, it turns it off.
Scheduled via NAC and a POE enabled switch... (Network Access Control.)
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Our WAP's are active 24x7 and broadcast the SSID. Want to associate with them, go right ahead but to get an IP address you have to get past the RADIUS authentication.
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Our WAP's are active 24x7 and broadcast the SSID. Want to associate with them, go right ahead but to get an IP address you have to get past the RADIUS authentication.
Bingo!! 802.1x is a wonderful thing when you finally get it right. Of course, one of my Novell customers now wants single signon for his Netware domain. They have now learned the old saying "Be careful what you ask for". FreeRadius to LDAP to EDirectory is not a pretty thing, and I don't touch Novell servers.

We have a couple of customers that run SNMP scripts to turn on and off profiles in to allow the APs in the conference rooms to accept Guest signons during the nights and hours of board meetings and such. This was started off by a workaround for 200 APs that would go brain-dead if not reset at least once per week. Now a script does a rolling reset of every AP every other night.

Now that the network has been locked down at one customer's schools, the first people to complain were the Sheriff's deputies. They were used to slipping into the school parking lots in the south end of the county at night to get on the internet. We are going to give them Radius IDs that can be tracked and limit what they can do (no pr0n surfing).

Thread content: It is about time for Methusa.....Thorn to jump in here and remind everyone that broadcasting the SSID is part of the spec and the only way to make roaming work.

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Bingo!! 802.1x is a wonderful thing when you finally get it right. Of course, one of my Novell customers now wants single signon for his Netware domain. They have now learned the old saying "Be careful what you ask for". FreeRadius to LDAP to EDirectory is not a pretty thing, and I don't touch Novell servers.

We have a couple of customers that run SNMP scripts to turn on and off profiles in to allow the APs in the conference rooms to accept Guest signons during the nights and hours of board meetings and such. This was started off by a workaround for 200 APs that would go brain-dead if not reset at least once per week. Now a script does a rolling reset of every AP every other night.

Now that the network has been locked down at one customer's schools, the first people to complain were the Sheriff's deputies. They were used to slipping into the school parking lots in the south end of the county at night to get on the internet. We are going to give them Radius IDs that can be tracked and limit what they can do (no pr0n surfing).

Thread content: It is about time for Methusa.....Thorn to jump in here and remind everyone that broadcasting the SSID is part of the spec and the only way to make roaming work.

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Thread content: It is about time for Methusa.....Thorn to jump in here and remind everyone that broadcasting the SSID is part of the spec and the only way to make roaming work.

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Well, I would, but I'm stuck in NYC on dial-up, recovering from WedCon. Er, I mean Renderman's and Grey Frequency's nuptials.

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Oh, yeah. Proof. Meee (from DefCon) was kind enough to share this.

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Well, I would, but I'm stuck in NYC on dial-up, recovering from WedCon. Er, I mean Renderman's and Grey Frequency's nuptials.

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Well, I would, but I'm stuck in NYC on dial-up, recovering from WedCon. Er, I mean Renderman's and Grey Frequency's nuptials.

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Hey! Where's his hat??
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Reading this thread. Looking at the pic. That was my first thought. There is not 1 fedora in sight!!
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Another one of your autoposts? Someone needs to photochop what the baby's room is going to look like....I'm just saying it could be soon.
Wait how'd I get in the wrong thread, dang it and it's not even Thursday.
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