Dutch

Have you tried using sirfmon from the ESR line of GPSD's to set the parameters more optimally on your Sirf II puck ?
I'm using a Holux GM-210 puck, and programs the sirfII chipset with these parameters before a trip, and it allways keeps lock, even in the narrow winding streets in the old part of town.

Start sirfmon : sirfmon /dev/ttyUSB0<enter>

sirfmon will hunt for the right baud rate, then switch the gps into sirf binary and present a display.
Press 't'<enter> to see the various params.
Type 'b 19200'<enter> (without the apostrophes) to change the baud rate to 19200, as communicating in sirf binary transmits more data, than can be send Page Ranking second at 4800 baud.

Type 's 88 01 01 01 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 1e 14 01'<enter> (without the apostrophes) to set the following params : Degraded mode to on, Degraded timeout to 30 secs, Dead reckoning timeout to 20, Track smooth mode to on, WAAS/EGNOS to auto, WAAS/EGNOS timeout to default (18 sec)

Type 's 8b 00 32 00 32'<enter> to set the following params : Tracking and Navigation Elevation Mask to 5 degrees. (How low on the horizon the GPS will look for satelittes.)

Type 's 8c 14 14'<enter> to set the following params: Tracking and Navigation power mask to 20 dB Hz. (How high the received signal must be before it's used in solution.)

Press 't'<enter> twice to see if the new params have taken.

Depending on if you want to stay with the 19200 Baud rate or go back to 4800 baud, enter 'b 4800'<enter>

Finally press 'n'<enter> to change the gps back to NMEA mode, and exit sirfmon.

Start gpsd, preferably the gpsdrive fork, as the ESR line of gpsd's compiled with sirf support, changes the gps into sirf binary, change some params to values decided by the GPSD team, and then translates the sirf binary data stream to NMEA internally, to be delivered with the GPSD 'R' command (used by gpsdrive), and to the gpsd datastream, to be delivered with the GPSD polling commands (such as the PAMVH strings used by kismet).

I have a patch made for the sirfmon util and the ESR line of GPSD which adds a one command reset to those params, as well as removes the automatic reset to default params coded into the ESR line of GPSD when using a Sirf based gps. If anybody is interested, holler and I'll post it.
Otherwise just follow the above, and use the forked GPSD from gpsdrive. That's what I'm doing, and it just plain works.

Dutch

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Mark57

I have all the client utilities including sirfmon, but I'd not investigated it yet. I certainly will now. Dutch, thank you for that huge helping of yummy spoon!

Yes, I'd like to try the patched Sirfmon utility.

Also, for the USA folks, at one time I had a link to the FAA web site that shows real time GPS status and areas of the country that are having problems. I'm trying to find it and will post it when I do.

PS, the USGlobalSat BU-353 SiFRIII that I have has the same guts as the new Holux 236.

Scruge

It takes years. I made my 4th attempt at getting nix and kismet running last night only to find it being derailed by an assumption by kismet's developer, that I know where to find the "source=" parameters to start kismet or how to edit the kismet config files.
Seems every tutorial I've tried at some point crap out at least for me and leave out critical details that require one to go off on a 2 day expedition to resolve.

Hell at my age by the time I figure out the answer I've already forgotten what all I've done up to that point

Perhaps one of the nix gods here might consider writing a tutorial for us nix-zeros as a CoWF project.
It should be very detailed and based on a multi-boot configuration, being nix isn't our native OS.
Just a basic install with the intent of running just kismet, gps, and map for a few of the most popular wifi cards. A basic tutorial on installing/uninstalling drivers might be handy for those that may need to fine tune their systems. Assistance with specific individual issues could be addressed by the forum at large.

I'll even consider a $50 reward to its author if it gets me up and running without numerous difficulties by 9/30/2005 and its published on a public forum for all to use.

If kismet is as good as everyone says, seems it might help boost our wigle stats with more people running it.

Israel Torres

Can you list the tutorials you have tried? I would be interested in researching something to help people that know nothing of either kismet or linux. I have written a lot of notes that I use, but there are so many variables that I have run into to make something generic enough for everyone to use. If I added every single unqiue issue it would be as fat as a bible.

When I first started my quest I found that writing down notes, or typing them out for later always helped.

I could do it no problem, but I think you and I could work together to make it work for "nix-zeroes". If you have time for this type of project let me know. I am not even sure why this wouldn't be an ebook.

Just wondering why if you just plan on using linux to run kismet why you don't use a livecd version of the many that are out there?

The author of such marvel would certainly not be in it for the money. It would be more for the community at large. If I were you I'd offer yourself to help with the project time (as in clock ticks) is much more valuable than money when it comes to writing up tomes of information.

Seriously kismet is the sh*t. If you aren't using it you are losing out. Heck look at my WiGLE Stats... that is 99% kismet usage.

If anyone wants to help out with this I would be more than glad to head it up . PM me if you are interested. I would rather have everyone helping out into an effort that seeing a handful of mediocre tutorials out there.

Israel Torres

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beakmyn

I think StarPirate still has the notes I used to get it running on Ubuntu

wiki for kismet under ubuntu

That should get you going with kismet, no compiling needed just install then follow the directions to edit the kismet.conf file



For the GPSD daemon :

Download the latest tar.gz
http://developer.berlios.de/project/...?group_id=2116
open up a console window goto the folder where the file is
Type: tar -zxvf (gpsdcurrentreleasefile).tar.gz
(This will extract gspd in one shot.)

cd to the gspd directory
Type: ./configure
Type: make
Type: Make install

To run the daemon
# gpsd -f /dev/ttyS0
This will tell it to look for the gps on Com1 it assumes 4800 baud

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Scruge, its better than they say. When Beakmyn was down here for a job per his company, I volenteered to drive him around Houston (this is the time he chalked up the 3 million AP and his stats went up faster than the space shuttle) since I know the town alot better than he would (plus I never get lost)So in return he slapped Ubuntu Linux and Kismet on a laptop I have (1 of 2 identical, the 3rd went to a friend of mine Netforce, who just does not have enough time to go stumbling, something about a real life getting in the way..... who knows) but When we ran Kismet on his laptop and at the time I did NS, the ratio seemed to be 5 to 1 in favor of Kismet. I have tested this on short drives and sure enough, that seems to be the norm.

I am still trying to do the install on another laptop (I have a bunch of pc parts) just so I can learn (wise man said " Tell me and I won't remember, Show me and I might remember, but INVOLVE me and I never forget") so like you, its been tricky but I keep researching it, that and looking for a job (fingers crossed)

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Set up *nix, fire up vncserver, and pay Dutch.

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I've been lucky in regards to 0.1 STD - It runs on my Dell D800 and Kismet likes the TM 1150 card. Per suggestion from Thorn in following dmesg, I've been able to mount my USB drive and see and write files to it. Now to get Kismet to stash its stuff there..

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Dutch

To do that, edit /etc/kismet/kismet.conf and change the "logtemplate=" line to point to the USB drive.

I.E. if the USB drive is mounted on "/mnt/usbdrive", and you want the kismet logs to go in to the directory "KismetLogs", then change the logtemplate param in the kismet.conf file to "logtemplate=/mnt/usbdrive/KismetLogs/%n-%d-%i.%l".

NB. Remember that if the USB drive is a flashdevice, those have a limited number of write cycles, and slower write access than other more conventional storage devices.
The best way of utilizing a USB flashdevice, IMHO, is as a archival storage device. I.E. as a write-seldom/read-often device. For Kismet usage that would mean using more conventional devices such as harddisk, or ramdisk, during the stumble, then transfer the logs to the USB flashdevice for storage or transfer to an other PC.

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ccie4526

I had that same problem with my Motorola PVT-6 generation I receiver. It was only a 6-channel receiver, and I would drop lock under any overpass, etc., etc. I subsequently replaced it with a Garmin GPS16 receiver running NMEA2.0, with WAAS enabled, and have not had a single lock drop unless I go into a parking garage or otherwise kill power to the unit. Definitely worth the $180 if you buy it new. I picked mine up used for $100, but they're not easily found, people who have them don't generally want to sell them. More info can be found at http://www.garmin.com/products/gps16/.

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http://www.tipsybottle.com/technolog...et-HOWTO.shtml

This is the how-to I used when I first started, and it has been extremely helpful/reliable. I still prefer using FC1 with the 2.4.22 kernel, since I can run the Orinoco 0.13e patched drivers.

One of these days I'm going to beat out getting the stuff to run on OpenBSD, but hasn't been high on my priority list.

Having said all that, if someone can come up with an RH8/RH9/FC1 laptop, an Orinoco card, and an SSH daemon, I can get kismet/gpsd running in 30-45minutes, depending on how long it takes to compile the appropriate app components.

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I'll cut 10 minutes of that time, and throw in gpsdrive, with MySQL integration to kismet, plus setting up MadWifi and Orinoco, on a debian box.

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Airstreamer

I should be able to call kismet from a command line with the logtemplate=/mnt/usbdrive/KismetLogs/%n-%d-%i.%l included as a command option, right?

Editing the .conf file isn't much good as it is goes away when the power goes off, unless I can make it 'sticky' via the kismet option to setup a permanent config file somewhere. (I'll get there, it just takes time!)

The other option is to do the 'move STD to a hard drive' trick, and then beat on it until stuff works again.

Hmm...

Steve

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theprez98

Ugh, more GPS troubles today. Only 26 of 133 had GPS data.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/0....ap/index.html

maybe?

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That's possible. Some days are worse than others. Many days don't have as many satellites directly overhead as others.