Doonesbury Cartoon

aFR · 07-21-2002

For those of you who don’t read the main page, I suggest you take a look at the Doonesbury article, but just incase I will include the picture for you. What do you all think this means? Is it good? Is it bad? I’m not sure what I think just yet.

blackwave · 07-21-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by aFR
For those of you who don’t read the main page, I suggest you take a look at the Doonesbury article, but just incase I will include the picture for you. What do you all think this means? Is it good? Is it bad? I’m not sure what I think just yet.

I see it as It is bad publicity. I interpreted as a mockingly being thrown to the same level as software piracy, illegal p2p software/music/movie trading... Sure it is funny to read... but imagine the millions of sheep that read this that have no clue what stumbling is, it probably isn't as funny for them.

... again another example of the free speech double-edged sword.

lincomatic · 07-21-2002

yeah, and the worst part of it is that comment about the guy's daughter's e-mail at the end. makes it out to be so easy to hack into everything just because someone is connected to an AP.

carbolic · 07-21-2002

Sometimes it is that easy to sniff email.
If the link is not encrypted, neither is email.
If email is not encrypted, his daughter is calling to the wind.

---

Tonight is the Fox 11 News (Los Angeles station) covering warchalking, wardriving, and other stuff.

Their soundbite teaser went something like this:
The next Napster? Watch how easy it is to get free internet. Tonight, on Fox 11 News at 10.

qbus · 07-21-2002

let the sheep think what they want... if they start locking up there networks the cable people will most likly calm down a little... also lets all be thankfull that he was driving a pickup and not a van

lincomatic · 07-21-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by carbolic
Sometimes it is that easy to sniff email.
If the link is not encrypted, neither is email.
If email is not encrypted, his daughter is calling to the wind.

yes, that's true, easy with kismet & ethereal, but probably not what a guy leeching some b/w at the curbside is going to be doing...munching thru tons & tons of packets on the fly looking for something. the comic makes it sound like he's suddenly got access to her email acct (which yes, i know he could if he were sniffing packets while she was typing in her password via plain HTTP, but the likelihood is small).

QuienEs · 07-22-2002

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Originally posted by carbolic
<snip>
Tonight is the Fox 11 News (Los Angeles station) covering warchalking, wardriving, and other stuff.

Their soundbite teaser went something like this:
The next Napster? Watch how easy it is to get free internet. Tonight, on Fox 11 News at 10.

Anyone find this on the net. I missed it
[New Jersey] on TV and couldn't find anything
at http://foxnews.com/ ?

TIA, QE

blackwave · 07-22-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by QuienEs

Anyone find this on the net. I missed it
[New Jersey] on TV and couldn't find anything
at http://foxnews.com/ ?

TIA, QE

Yes, Go here:
http://forums.netstumbler.com/showth...&threadid=2843

rambopfc · 07-22-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by QuienEs

Anyone find this on the net. I missed it
[New Jersey] on TV and couldn't find anything
at http://foxnews.com/ ?

TIA, QE

i saw part of the report on this.. some guy was bitching about wireless stuff and WEP and stuff, all while holding a pringles can...

blackwave · 07-22-2002

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Originally posted by rambopfc
i saw part of the report on this.. some guy was bitching about wireless stuff and WEP and stuff, all while holding a pringles can...

Hmmm, I don't recall that in this report... but it was the morning after so I could be way off.

lincomatic · 07-22-2002

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Originally posted by blackwave

Hmmm, I don't recall that in this report... but it was the morning after so I could be way off.

i saw it last night and there were no pringles in the report containing fungus's interview. only a cantenna and the mobile mark.

blackwave · 07-22-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by lincomatic
i saw it last night and there were no pringles in the report containing fungus's interview. only a cantenna and the mobile mark.

I think the reporter lady may have been holding one.. but not using one.. hmmm..

Thorn · 07-23-2002

[quote]Originally posted by aFR
[b]For those of you who don’t read the main page, I suggest you take a look at the Doonesbury article, but just incase I will include the picture for you. What do you all think this means? Is it good? Is it bad? I’m not sure what I think just yet.
My first reaction was that it is interesting that idea of someone else accessing wireless from the street has suddenly gone mainstream.

While the cartoon certainly exaggerates the ease of some of this stuff, the point is that the "sheep" (to use BW's) term are becoming aware that wireless LAN security is problem; the EXACT same thing that many of of here have been saying. If it's in the funny pages, then it is no longer something that techies only are aware of as a problem.

That is a good thing. I'm sure that yesterday (Monday) morning there was a flurry of activity in some places, but people will forget in a week or so.

The bad side is that Stumbling will be equated with stealing bandwidth, or cracking "your daughter's email", etc. But that has already happened. Hardly a week goes by that some new person on the forums starts with a "How do I crack a network?" line of questions. Usually they are quickly knocked down, but the fact that they are even asking indicated that there is an association in people's minds with Stumbling as a activity and illegal actions such as stealing bandwidth or attacking networks. For example this recent thread and the postings of travis9 make that clear: http://forums.netstumbler.com/showth...&threadid=2839

blackwave · 07-23-2002

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Originally posted by Thorn

For example this recent thread and the postings of travis9 make that clear: http://forums.netstumbler.com/showth...&threadid=2839

Hmmm, we could collect all of the threads and put them into a "I-just-saw-something-on-tv-and-want-to-h4x0r-wifi "forum

Another fine example:
http://forums.netstumbler.com/showth...&threadid=2868

g0tr00t · 07-23-2002

At least it is going to cost them some money. So it should be a limited group of hax0rs. Hopefully....

07-21-2002	#1 (permalink)
aFR Here To Serve You Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: http://www.awayfromreality.com Posts: 207	Doonesbury Cartoon For those of you who don’t read the main page, I suggest you take a look at the Doonesbury article, but just incase I will include the picture for you. What do you all think this means? Is it good? Is it bad? I’m not sure what I think just yet.

07-21-2002	#4 (permalink)
carbolic Move Zig Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 107	Email & P2P Sometimes it is that easy to sniff email. If the link is not encrypted, neither is email. If email is not encrypted, his daughter is calling to the wind. --- Tonight is the Fox 11 News (Los Angeles station) covering warchalking, wardriving, and other stuff. Their soundbite teaser went something like this: The next Napster? Watch how easy it is to get free internet. Tonight, on Fox 11 News at 10. __________________ www.SoCalWUG.org

07-23-2002	#13 (permalink)
Thorn Did you do the math? Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Villa Straylight Posts: 10,502	Re: Doonesbury Cartoon [quote]Originally posted by aFR [b]For those of you who don’t read the main page, I suggest you take a look at the Doonesbury article, but just incase I will include the picture for you. What do you all think this means? Is it good? Is it bad? I’m not sure what I think just yet. My first reaction was that it is interesting that idea of someone else accessing wireless from the street has suddenly gone mainstream. While the cartoon certainly exaggerates the ease of some of this stuff, the point is that the "sheep" (to use BW's) term are becoming aware that wireless LAN security is problem; the EXACT same thing that many of of here have been saying. If it's in the funny pages, then it is no longer something that techies only are aware of as a problem. That is a good thing. I'm sure that yesterday (Monday) morning there was a flurry of activity in some places, but people will forget in a week or so. The bad side is that Stumbling will be equated with stealing bandwidth, or cracking "your daughter's email", etc. But that has already happened. Hardly a week goes by that some new person on the forums starts with a "How do I crack a network?" line of questions. Usually they are quickly knocked down, but the fact that they are even asking indicated that there is an association in people's minds with Stumbling as a activity and illegal actions such as stealing bandwidth or attacking networks. For example this recent thread and the postings of travis9 make that clear: http://forums.netstumbler.com/showth...&threadid=2839 __________________ Thorn "Read Altas Shrugged. Compare it to today. Repeat as necessary" Last edited by Thorn : 07-23-2002 at 04:59 PM.

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g0tr00t Welcome to my nightmare Join Date: May 2002 Location: r00ting y0ur b0x. Posts: 352	At least it is going to cost them some money. So it should be a limited group of hax0rs. Hopefully.... __________________ g0tr00t "Its all fun and games until someone gets killed."

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07-21-2002	#3 (permalink)
lincomatic Squaaawk! WiFi! WiFi! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tinsel Town Posts: 1,682	yeah, and the worst part of it is that comment about the guy's daughter's e-mail at the end. makes it out to be so easy to hack into everything just because someone is connected to an AP.

07-21-2002	#5 (permalink)
qbus Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 109	let the sheep think what they want... if they start locking up there networks the cable people will most likly calm down a little... also lets all be thankfull that he was driving a pickup and not a van