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09-06-2001
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no source will be given because the future versions will have covert transmit features that will "phone home" to a database, also divulging information about YOUR system and MAC to the authors.
They want a massive private database. that is how they intend to make money a year from now.... with the massive covertely snatched database. It will store and forward records of data until it can connect and dump in salvo. |
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09-06-2001
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Interesting...
Hmmm, that would make sense... but if that were the case they would be blown wide open by simple protocol scanners, and/or kernel level debugger(s). I did however just discover the programming libraries for the Hermes chipset, to write a raw packet dumper... from there it should not be that difficult to create an open source netstumbler type of utillitie...
Stou P.S. please feel free to e-mail me with more interesting information : ) |
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09-07-2001
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ehehe yea I figured that, thats why I said it would be easy to discover... but it would be cool to have the code to NS... I've been struggling for 3 days with some release of HCF from lucent, but I can't get it to work : ( and I cna't find out where to get HCF-light any help?
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09-09-2001
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I thought Marius stated at one time that hte source would be eventually made opensource for others to make different ports with.
If the idea is to covertly send data back to netstumbler.com AKA "Spyware", well i mean if any program were to backfire on a particular piece of software, it would be netstumbler, due to the fact that there would be a high level of users that would be using sniffing products to detect this information transfer... then again, there are alot of dumb people out there go figure? |
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09-09-2001
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I wouldn't mind a peek at the NS Source myself. Where can I get the libs for the Hermes chipset?
I do a lot of Site Surveys and I want to write a tool which will allow me to setup an AP and walk around the site. Ideally, the software would produce a map of the area afterwards with GPS co-ord's, signal levels, noise levels etc. At the moment I do this with a pen and paper and it's a pain in the A. Anyone know if someone's already doing this? Interesting... Hmmm, that would make sense... but if that were the case they would be blown wide open by simple protocol scanners, and/or kernel level debugger(s). I did however just discover the programming libraries for the Hermes chipset, to write a raw packet dumper... from there it should not be that difficult to create an open source netstumbler type of utillitie... Stou P.S. please feel free to e-mail me with more interesting information : ) |
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09-10-2001
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I just barely got HCF-light to compile, but haven't had a chance to test it yet since i am waiting for a book to arrive on w2k prog secrets, and i still haven't really figured out how to use the thing... hehe
Everywhere I looked it said HCF-light (the GPLed version of the hardware control library which is used to mess with hermes) is avaiable free, but I couldn't find it, finaly i "stole" it from the net directory of the linux kernel... I also found the full version of HCF xcept with a file or two missing from some CMU site. the HCF-light is here: http://pc1.peanuts.gr.jp/~kei/Kernel-Snapshot/linux/drivers/net/pcmcia/ after my various tests next week i am going to start working on a raw 802.11 packet dumper : ) the problem with HCF-light is that it only supports 802.3 frames no DIX or 802.11 frames and no code for downloading firmware among other things.... (how cool would it be to write your own custom firmware for the hermes? hehe) Oh and yea, if such a [l]user program like RealPlayer got caught spying on people, then NetStumbler would get caught in an instant... btw etherial for wintendo is a good open source winpcap sniffer stou |
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09-11-2001
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Just for the record
1. Net Stumbler does not "phone home". No version that I release for public use will EVER do this UNLESS a lot of people want it AND the program asks the end user (without hiding it in legalese, of course). <flamebait>Oh, by the way, thanks for suggesting it, nice idea for a new feature</flamebait> :-)
2. When I reach version 1.0, that is, when I decide that the source is sufficiently stable, I intend to make it available under some kind of open source agreement. If a queue of lawyers comes to my door, this may not happen. 3. I wish I had seen http://bugzilla.andrew.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/wince/wavecl/waveclient/ before I wrote the current version. It contains the whole HCF library from a couple of years ago, but be warned that it needs a little modification to work with the current drivers. No, I haven't tried this (NS doesn't use it), I know it from reading through the sources. |
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09-24-2001
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Hey I am glad to hear this, I _love_ Netstumbler, but it got me kinda scared that its gona turn comercial.
Can you please shed some light on HCF, I haven't really had much time to play with it... but as of now I still have little clue where it fits. Kernel or User space? Above or below the driver? It seems to me that it can be configured as kernel or userland library, and it sits on top of the wavelan driver.. but thats only a speculation on my part.. thanks stou |
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