smc cards and other sniffers (not netstumbler)

09-23-2001

looking for some kind of sniffer that will work with my smc 2632w card other than netstumbler (windoze stuff)...thanks.

BTW...netstumbler looks very cool even though it doesn't work with my card!

09-25-2001

Save yourself the wait and the programmer their time. Go find the Orinoco card and all will be fine. It's what a friend and I did. Besides, the Orinoco seems to be a better card then what I had (USR)

Tron Of Borg

09-26-2001

I agree, get the Orinoco Silver from www.wifidirect.com and you will be all set. The SMC cards get about 1/3 the range the orinoco cards do, as well as work with Netstumbler. It's definately worth the $96.00.

09-26-2001

I cannot agree with obvious Lucent a$$ kissing going on here. I have Orinoco,Buffalo,Compaq,SMC,Intel,Hawking,3com and Cisco cards and can state that the Prism cards are at least as good as the Orinoco/Hermes if not better. I supply and install 802.11b systems from various manufacturers (including Agere) and as such feel qualified to make these comments. The SMC low power statement is incorrect - infact I get better range on the SMC than I do on the Orinoco Gold. Not only are Orinoco products hideously overpriced but their driver releases are often untried. Orinoco support are un-contactable. I just wish Net-Crumbler worked with prism chipsets, the world would be a better place. I recommend that you see the superb utils supplied with Intel and Cisco cards then you'd have a different view of Wavelan and their ivory tower.

09-27-2001

Frank,

If you would be so good as to send me the developer guide for the NDIS driver for the Intel and Cisco cards then I will happily add support for them. Even better would be C++ header files and libraries for S24MUDLL.DLL and ACRD10SM.DLL respectively.

You probably know that the driver for the Intel card doesn't support broadcast SSIDs, making it useless to 90% of NS users. I have a Symbol card, which I believe Intel OEMs, and have been unable to find any documentation about programming it. The Symbol and Intel web sites contain nothing, and the utilities that come with the card seem to use a precarious arrangement of mutexes, semaphores and shared memory to communicate with the hardware, which is very primitive.

I do have the PC4800 developer's guide from Cisco, but this provides no information about NDIS.

The utilities for the Cisco card, by the way, are completely useless to those of us that frequently connect to more than one network and have to change SSIDs and WEP keys often. At least Lucent got that right.

09-27-2001

Marius
I accept your comments and believe me I am in no-way attempting to rubbish NS. But a shortfall in the app' whereby it doesn't work with certain Client Cards or recognise AP's such as Intel ProWireless does not make those products less perfect than Orinoco - its just shows that NS is missing out on 50% of available systems and as such is less than perfect itself. Furthermore S24MUDLL.DLL and ACRD10SM.DLL are freely available for anybody to download, also Cisco Client manager does provide for multiple site entries.

Regards

09-27-2001

I think Marius was trying to say that the orinoco's are about the only thing he can program because he can't find relevant documentation for anything else. If that be the case, then the responsibility falls to us to provide him that documentation if we want him to support other cards.

Makes sense to me.

09-27-2001

Sorry Shawn but I think you also missed my original point. Any one recommending the wavelan silver misses the issue that most wireless users also use their beloved card for work and home networks so the silver is a none starter with its inherent deficiencies. Also that the majority of systems in the market place are infact Prism chipset driven as opposed to Hermes. I would love to support NS as I believe that what it currently provides is a superb analysis of local AP's however the short falls are obvious and it presently misses at least 50% of AP's on the street. I have today tweaked an Intel Pro/Wireless AP to death to see if NS can see it but it could not. Also one of my engineers had a severe peek at an Orinoco Res Gateway and could also not see it. Why should that be a problem? Please tell me where our config has gone wrong.
So there are massive deficiencies. I would not want people to buy waste of time cards as-is Orinoco Silver when they could spend less on equivalent parallel products (Prism).
Note that the open source guys - Linux sponge heads - are well advanced on this subject. I suggest that u do a web-trawl and see what you find. You will be surprised. How come open source can use any Hermes, or Prism based cards and find all access points including Intel Wireless/Pro + every body else to achieve what we want. I use that as an example.

Open to suggestion

Frank

Regards.

09-28-2001

The reason that 50% (actually I think it's more) of APs don't show up is that they don't support broadcast SSIDs. (Agere calls this "Closed network"). If you enable broadcast SSIDs on the AP, it will appear in NS. Likewise if you configure your client with that SSID (rather than the blank that NS's autoconfigure sets) then it should appear.

I'm working on a version of NS that puts the card in promisc mode and picks out the beacons, this will alert us to the existence of the networks, though on Cisco and Agere APs it still won't give us the SSID.

09-28-2001

Oh, and I meant to mention... I've got the ACRD10SM and S24MUDLL DLLs, of course they are free... but what I can't find anywhere is header/library files so I can actually use them. I need to know the underlying structures that the function calls expect, and I don't feel like reverse engineering them myself. My contacts at Symbol and Cisco have been unable to help me.

09-28-2001

Great regards to above and your earlier comment "I'm working on a version of NS that puts the card in promisc mode and picks out the beacons, this will alert us to the existence of the networks, though on Cisco and Agere APs it still won't give us the SSID"

WHEN THOUGH?

09-28-2001

Hey Frank, I agree. I have an SMC and i personally think it's a great card. Give me some trouble, but then i have a lot of "stuff" here to interfere with the signal.

What I was trying to point out was further clarified by Marius.

As for that new promiscuous mode NS, hehe, it'll probably be out when Marius has time to finish it up. I also work on a personal project used by a lot of people and it's amazing from a developer point of view how "greedy" people can become when it comes to 'free' software.

N8 all.

09-28-2001

Has anyone else had this problem or sort of problem?

I am using a Sony VAIO with win 98 and an Orinoco Gold Card with latest FALL drivers.

Here is sequence of events...

Bootup Laptop, surf Internet, get on network etc. with wireless card (either at home on my Lucent AP, at work with Residential gateway or SMC product).

I start up NS and do some stumbling.

I close down NS.

I am then unable to get out onto any part of the network without stopping the wireless card, and taking it out and re-inserting it.

It then works fine!

The Lucent Client Manager diagnostics at the above point report that the card is working fine.

Thoughts?

Aidey

09-28-2001

SMC - good move Shawn. Having assessed a number of AP's and res gateways I settled for the SMC Barricade Broadband Wireless Router for my home net. It’s an amazing piece of kit and seriously good value for money. You get inbuilt 3 port 10/100 hub, NAT firewall, print server, easy-peasy web interface and connectivity to modem or ISDN or Broadband/Cable (XDSL). And of course wireless. Should they pay me for the advert? :-)

BTW it shows up great on NS.

09-23-2001	#1 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	smc cards and other sniffers (not netstumbler) looking for some kind of sniffer that will work with my smc 2632w card other than netstumbler (windoze stuff)...thanks. BTW...netstumbler looks very cool even though it doesn't work with my card!

09-25-2001	#2 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	Just go and buy an Orinoco Card Save yourself the wait and the programmer their time. Go find the Orinoco card and all will be fine. It's what a friend and I did. Besides, the Orinoco seems to be a better card then what I had (USR) Tron Of Borg

09-27-2001	#7 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	Hmmm. I think Marius was trying to say that the orinoco's are about the only thing he can program because he can't find relevant documentation for anything else. If that be the case, then the responsibility falls to us to provide him that documentation if we want him to support other cards. Makes sense to me.

09-28-2001	#11 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	Promiscuous mode version of NS - when? Great regards to above and your earlier comment "I'm working on a version of NS that puts the card in promisc mode and picks out the beacons, this will alert us to the existence of the networks, though on Cisco and Agere APs it still won't give us the SSID" WHEN THOUGH?

09-28-2001	#12 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	hehe. Hey Frank, I agree. I have an SMC and i personally think it's a great card. Give me some trouble, but then i have a lot of "stuff" here to interfere with the signal. What I was trying to point out was further clarified by Marius. As for that new promiscuous mode NS, hehe, it'll probably be out when Marius has time to finish it up. I also work on a personal project used by a lot of people and it's amazing from a developer point of view how "greedy" people can become when it comes to 'free' software. N8 all.

09-26-2001	#3 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	I agree, get the Orinoco Silver from www.wifidirect.com and you will be all set. The SMC cards get about 1/3 the range the orinoco cards do, as well as work with Netstumbler. It's definately worth the $96.00.

09-26-2001	#4 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	I cannot agree with obvious Lucent a$$ kissing going on here. I have Orinoco,Buffalo,Compaq,SMC,Intel,Hawking,3com and Cisco cards and can state that the Prism cards are at least as good as the Orinoco/Hermes if not better. I supply and install 802.11b systems from various manufacturers (including Agere) and as such feel qualified to make these comments. The SMC low power statement is incorrect - infact I get better range on the SMC than I do on the Orinoco Gold. Not only are Orinoco products hideously overpriced but their driver releases are often untried. Orinoco support are un-contactable. I just wish Net-Crumbler worked with prism chipsets, the world would be a better place. I recommend that you see the superb utils supplied with Intel and Cisco cards then you'd have a different view of Wavelan and their ivory tower.

09-27-2001	#5 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	Frank, If you would be so good as to send me the developer guide for the NDIS driver for the Intel and Cisco cards then I will happily add support for them. Even better would be C++ header files and libraries for S24MUDLL.DLL and ACRD10SM.DLL respectively. You probably know that the driver for the Intel card doesn't support broadcast SSIDs, making it useless to 90% of NS users. I have a Symbol card, which I believe Intel OEMs, and have been unable to find any documentation about programming it. The Symbol and Intel web sites contain nothing, and the utilities that come with the card seem to use a precarious arrangement of mutexes, semaphores and shared memory to communicate with the hardware, which is very primitive. I do have the PC4800 developer's guide from Cisco, but this provides no information about NDIS. The utilities for the Cisco card, by the way, are completely useless to those of us that frequently connect to more than one network and have to change SSIDs and WEP keys often. At least Lucent got that right.

09-27-2001	#6 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	Marius I accept your comments and believe me I am in no-way attempting to rubbish NS. But a shortfall in the app' whereby it doesn't work with certain Client Cards or recognise AP's such as Intel ProWireless does not make those products less perfect than Orinoco - its just shows that NS is missing out on 50% of available systems and as such is less than perfect itself. Furthermore S24MUDLL.DLL and ACRD10SM.DLL are freely available for anybody to download, also Cisco Client manager does provide for multiple site entries. Regards

09-27-2001	#8 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	Sorry Shawn but I think you also missed my original point. Any one recommending the wavelan silver misses the issue that most wireless users also use their beloved card for work and home networks so the silver is a none starter with its inherent deficiencies. Also that the majority of systems in the market place are infact Prism chipset driven as opposed to Hermes. I would love to support NS as I believe that what it currently provides is a superb analysis of local AP's however the short falls are obvious and it presently misses at least 50% of AP's on the street. I have today tweaked an Intel Pro/Wireless AP to death to see if NS can see it but it could not. Also one of my engineers had a severe peek at an Orinoco Res Gateway and could also not see it. Why should that be a problem? Please tell me where our config has gone wrong. So there are massive deficiencies. I would not want people to buy waste of time cards as-is Orinoco Silver when they could spend less on equivalent parallel products (Prism). Note that the open source guys - Linux sponge heads - are well advanced on this subject. I suggest that u do a web-trawl and see what you find. You will be surprised. How come open source can use any Hermes, or Prism based cards and find all access points including Intel Wireless/Pro + every body else to achieve what we want. I use that as an example. Open to suggestion Frank Regards.

09-28-2001	#9 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	The reason that 50% (actually I think it's more) of APs don't show up is that they don't support broadcast SSIDs. (Agere calls this "Closed network"). If you enable broadcast SSIDs on the AP, it will appear in NS. Likewise if you configure your client with that SSID (rather than the blank that NS's autoconfigure sets) then it should appear. I'm working on a version of NS that puts the card in promisc mode and picks out the beacons, this will alert us to the existence of the networks, though on Cisco and Agere APs it still won't give us the SSID.

09-28-2001	#10 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	Oh, and I meant to mention... I've got the ACRD10SM and S24MUDLL DLLs, of course they are free... but what I can't find anywhere is header/library files so I can actually use them. I need to know the underlying structures that the function calls expect, and I don't feel like reverse engineering them myself. My contacts at Symbol and Cisco have been unable to help me.

09-28-2001	#13 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	Orinoco Card needs re-inserting after use of NS? Has anyone else had this problem or sort of problem? I am using a Sony VAIO with win 98 and an Orinoco Gold Card with latest FALL drivers. Here is sequence of events... Bootup Laptop, surf Internet, get on network etc. with wireless card (either at home on my Lucent AP, at work with Residential gateway or SMC product). I start up NS and do some stumbling. I close down NS. I am then unable to get out onto any part of the network without stopping the wireless card, and taking it out and re-inserting it. It then works fine! The Lucent Client Manager diagnostics at the above point report that the card is working fine. Thoughts? Aidey

09-28-2001	#14 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	SMC SMC - good move Shawn. Having assessed a number of AP's and res gateways I settled for the SMC Barricade Broadband Wireless Router for my home net. It’s an amazing piece of kit and seriously good value for money. You get inbuilt 3 port 10/100 hub, NAT firewall, print server, easy-peasy web interface and connectivity to modem or ISDN or Broadband/Cable (XDSL). And of course wireless. Should they pay me for the advert? :-) BTW it shows up great on NS.

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