KNSGEM is now released!! - Page 3

syn-ack · 04-30-2006

Ahhh... I've got mail... whooo Hooo...

Mahalo Nui Loa...

Scruge · 05-01-2006

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Originally Posted by macubergeek

Awesome tool!
I'm futzing with it. Trying to figure out how to toggle the display of the mac addresses of the waps. Don't think knsgem can do that...yet...;-)

The only way I know to turn off the mac labels in GE is to reduce the font size to something small like 8 or less in GE's options.

Scruge · 05-13-2006

Knsgem 1.04

Nothing radical to speak of.
Fixed a NS1 related bug and a xp64 install issue.
Added several new configuration settings to the knsgem.cfg file.

syn-ack · 05-15-2006

Dang Scruge....your turn'n & burn'n on this... I got a lot of interest from folks at Dallascon and another con about KNSGEM...Kudos to you!

Mark57 · 05-15-2006

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Originally Posted by Scruge

Knsgem 1.04

Nothing radical to speak of.
Fixed a NS1 related bug and a xp64 install issue.
Added several new configuration settings to the knsgem.cfg file.

FYI, this link doesn't work but the link in post #1 does. It's missing the .extension on the URL.

Scruge · 05-15-2006

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Originally Posted by syn-ack

Dang Scruge....your turn'n & burn'n on this...

I know, its becoming a job...

Everytime someone reports a bug I feel compelled to add a feature which usually results in another bug.

@ mark
Thanks, just fixed the link.

syn-ack · 05-15-2006

Scurge -- is there a way to make a scatter plot that weights all collected signals? IE: good signal strenght would make a larger circle, and S/N would be coloured from bad to good?

Scruge · 05-15-2006

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Originally Posted by syn-ack

Scurge -- is there a way to make a scatter plot that weights all collected signals? IE: good signal strenght would make a larger circle, and S/N would be coloured from bad to good?

If you are referring to gradient/contour plots, I looked into them some time ago. The suggestion is good and I would have loved to have incorporated, but the math looked over-whelming and extremely time consuming.

After receiving numerous sample logs from other users and seeing the data most people were recording I didn't think it was worth the effort.

Currently Knsgem basically takes the GPS data for each network and checks to see what data exist within a circular sector with a 10 degree arc. The result is 36 circular sectors which are used to group the data, like the spokes of a wagon wheel. Knsgem then calculates the distance from the center to every point within each sector and flags the most distant point within that sector. It next does a rolling average from sector to sector, not a true scatter plot. A true scatter plot winds up looking like a hull.

What I've found is that most of the data is clumped together in just a couple of sectors. What one might expect when a wardriver does a drive-by. There's a ton of data within the approach sectors followed by a bunch 180 degrees in the departure sectors, but not enough to do a good contour plot.
The problem is further compounded by the fact that many large corporate campuses use the same bssid in many of their wireless devices. Then add all the wifi printers like "hpsetup" that re-use the same bssid in many of their products. Which is why I added the ability to limit the max distance of networks, to keep a network from having the appearance of having 1000 square mile coverage.

At the time the problems seemed exhausting so I took a more reasonable approach and designed knsgem for the hobbyist.

I do have a few other things that I'll be adding in the near future. One of which may come close to a contour plot but via a simpler method.

72cj5er · 06-09-2006

Maybe I am missing something. The prog works great and I love it. I just would like to do the radius circles and I cannot get them to show. 1st when I click on the "master" kml it puts me way out in the ocean with no links to the rest so I have to open them individually. then each of them look identicle, with one exception of just the small round dots, all the rest show enormous towers of signal no wider than a small dot. I have reviewed your site and the solution escapes me. can you please help. thx

Scruge · 06-09-2006

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Originally Posted by 72cj5er

Maybe I am missing something. The prog works great and I love it. I just would like to do the radius circles and I cannot get them to show. 1st when I click on the "master" kml it puts me way out in the ocean with no links to the rest so I have to open them individually. then each of them look identicle, with one exception of just the small round dots, all the rest show enormous towers of signal no wider than a small dot. I have reviewed your site and the solution escapes me. can you please help. thx

Make sure you are running version 1.04.
Check all your gps data to insure its valid and not stuck at some invalid coordinate.

If the above are all ok then send me a copy of your stumbling log to the email address shown on the KNSGEM web page.

72cj5er · 06-09-2006

Sent email.

BTW, I just tried uninstalling and reinstalling. no help. I did find after clicking the "master" dot located just off the coast of Africa I clicked on the link in that which opened the "D" database, then clicked on one of the AP refs and open each "Circles,Raw, and Average. all show the same tall skinny tower.

MikeP928 · 06-09-2006

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Originally Posted by 72cj5er

Sent email.

BTW, I just tried uninstalling and reinstalling. no help. I did find after clicking the "master" dot located just off the coast of Africa I clicked on the link in that which opened the "D" database, then clicked on one of the AP refs and open each "Circles,Raw, and Average. all show the same tall skinny tower.

There is your problem, CJ-7s rule.

Scruge · 06-09-2006

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Originally Posted by 72cj5er

Sent email.

BTW, I just tried uninstalling and reinstalling. no help. I did find after clicking the "master" dot located just off the coast of Africa I clicked on the link in that which opened the "D" database, then clicked on one of the AP refs and open each "Circles,Raw, and Average. all show the same tall skinny tower.

I got your ns1 file and tested, all worked as expected.
The problem is your ns1 file contains only a single gps record for each of your networks. Some how you've stripped all the secondary gps data from the file. As a result knsgem has only one coordinate per network to work with. Which means no 2d or 3d graphics and as mikep928 put it you'll need a helicopter and cj-7 to get to the top of the towers.
(The towers should be a clue that there's insufficent data available)

If you open the kmk_mstr_net.dbf with MS Access and look at the "cdatasz" field, you'll find it contains all 0s, meaning no secondary gps data available.

As for why the master.kml puts you in the middle of the ocean.... well thats actually something I need to fix... but it caused by the ns1 file not having all the gps data.

Edit...
btw You can load any of the knsgem produced kmls into GE, just by double clicking or dragging them.

72cj5er · 06-10-2006

hmm, Im not sure how I did that. I simply saved the NS1 file and copied it over to the knsgem folder. from what you stated I am guessing that it only is showing the initial gps coordinate and not the last seen coordinate. I dont know how I did that. I will try and figure it out. thanks for the help.

Scruge · 06-10-2006

Normally NS will continuously (once per second or two) record gps data for any Active AP. In some cases I've seen the secondary gps data grow in size to over 400,000 coordinates.

I'm only aware of a couple of different ways to remove the secondary gps data (AP data set) from a ns1 file.
1) Using NS to export your ns1 file to a summary file and then import the summary back into NS.
2) Use beakmyn's ns1 recovery tool to remove the AP data set.

There maybe others I'm not aware of.

04-30-2006	#31 (permalink)
syn-ack Kirchhoff==Woot Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 86	Ahhh... I've got mail... whooo Hooo... Mahalo Nui Loa... Last edited by syn-ack : 04-30-2006 at 06:18 PM.

05-13-2006	#33 (permalink)
Scruge Nyuk nyuk! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: TX Posts: 1,355	Knsgem 1.04 Nothing radical to speak of. Fixed a NS1 related bug and a xp64 install issue. Added several new configuration settings to the knsgem.cfg file. __________________ KNSGEM A wifi boundary plotter for Google Earth Click Me Last edited by Scruge : 05-15-2006 at 05:24 PM.

05-15-2006	#37 (permalink)
syn-ack Kirchhoff==Woot Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 86	scatter plot option? Scurge -- is there a way to make a scatter plot that weights all collected signals? IE: good signal strenght would make a larger circle, and S/N would be coloured from bad to good?

06-10-2006	#45 (permalink)
Scruge Nyuk nyuk! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: TX Posts: 1,355	Normally NS will continuously (once per second or two) record gps data for any Active AP. In some cases I've seen the secondary gps data grow in size to over 400,000 coordinates. I'm only aware of a couple of different ways to remove the secondary gps data (AP data set) from a ns1 file. 1) Using NS to export your ns1 file to a summary file and then import the summary back into NS. 2) Use beakmyn's ns1 recovery tool to remove the AP data set. There maybe others I'm not aware of. __________________ KNSGEM A wifi boundary plotter for Google Earth Click Me

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05-15-2006	#34 (permalink)
syn-ack Kirchhoff==Woot Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 86	Dang Scruge....your turn'n & burn'n on this... I got a lot of interest from folks at Dallascon and another con about KNSGEM...Kudos to you!

06-09-2006	#39 (permalink)
72cj5er Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3	Maybe I am missing something. The prog works great and I love it. I just would like to do the radius circles and I cannot get them to show. 1st when I click on the "master" kml it puts me way out in the ocean with no links to the rest so I have to open them individually. then each of them look identicle, with one exception of just the small round dots, all the rest show enormous towers of signal no wider than a small dot. I have reviewed your site and the solution escapes me. can you please help. thx

06-09-2006	#41 (permalink)
72cj5er Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3	Sent email. BTW, I just tried uninstalling and reinstalling. no help. I did find after clicking the "master" dot located just off the coast of Africa I clicked on the link in that which opened the "D" database, then clicked on one of the AP refs and open each "Circles,Raw, and Average. all show the same tall skinny tower.

06-10-2006	#44 (permalink)
72cj5er Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3	hmm, Im not sure how I did that. I simply saved the NS1 file and copied it over to the knsgem folder. from what you stated I am guessing that it only is showing the initial gps coordinate and not the last seen coordinate. I dont know how I did that. I will try and figure it out. thanks for the help.