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alchemyx · 09-15-2006

Hello!

I am having some trouble with converting NS1 to KLM. Using KNSGEM
it shows no error and creates few .KLM files. Opening them in Google Earth
shows nothing. I have animation slowly moving towards my city, zooming
and so on. It even shows the street where we took those readings, but
there are no labels, circles, or 3d towers. I have all layers from that .KLM
set to visible.

Any ideas about that? I am attaching zipped NS1 file and hoping for some help.
Thank you!

Scruge · 09-15-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by alchemyx

Hello!

I am having some trouble with converting NS1 to KLM. Using KNSGEM
it shows no error and creates few .KLM files. Opening them in Google Earth
shows nothing. I have animation slowly moving towards my city, zooming
and so on. It even shows the street where we took those readings, but
there are no labels, circles, or 3d towers. I have all layers from that .KLM
set to visible.

Any ideas about that? I am attaching zipped NS1 file and hoping for some help.
Thank you!

I don't have 1.04 with me, but I tested with 1.03 and it worked fine.

Make sure once you've loaded the kml into GE to check the box in the "Places" window to display the file. Knsgem by default loads the files into GE, with the display setting set off.

edit..

Works in 1.04 as well.

alchemyx · 09-16-2006

So it seems that my .ns1 file is OK. But still having problems. I thought that
it may be caused by using 64 bit Windows XP, so moved to Windows 98. Still
the same. Windows or Linux Google Earth behaves exactly the same. After
loading master file it moves mi to position (LON/LAT) 0/0.

Then clicking it shows possible networks to open. I klick Promenada and
it shows on left promenada_c, _d, and so on. I click all of them to make
them visible and nothing. I can click some AP on left and it will show all data
of that AP (channel, name, mac, and so on). This data is shown in a box
pointing to the place where that AP should be and it shows... Nort Pole

.
Manually adding every KML file gives same results.

I asked a friend to look at that KML files and he also gets same results. I am
attaching zipped KML files .

Thank you for your help

Scruge · 09-16-2006

You're right, the KMLs you produced don't display on my machine.

Looks like your problem is caused by using a comma as a decimal point in the KML's Lat/Long data.

When I converted your NS1 file the KML's had periods as decimal points.
I noticed the KMLs you produced used commas.

<longitude>14.2479</longitude> converted by my machine

<longitude>14,2479</longitude> converted on your machine

I would suggest you check your OS's regional settings for numeric formating.
You might also check if GE has an option to use a different numeric format.

Dutch · 09-16-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scruge

You're right, the KMLs you produced don't display on my machine.

Looks like your problem is caused by using a comma as a decimal point in the KML's Lat/Long data.

When I converted your NS1 file the KML's had periods as decimal points.
I noticed the KMLs you produced used commas.

<longitude>14.2479</longitude> converted by my machine

<longitude>14,2479</longitude> converted on your machine

I would suggest you check your OS's regional settings for numeric formating.
You might also check if GE has an option to use a different numeric format.

Alchemyx is from Poland. And you hit it right on the head of the nail. It's the regional settings in his OS that causes the problem. If he changes the regional setting to English before running the conversion, it will produce a KML that GE understands.

Dutch

Scruge · 09-16-2006

Poland !
That explains a lot. I never mastered a HP calculator because of RPN.

btw.. From the looks of alchemyx's data, circles that look like ovals, I must of been touched by a bit of dyslexia.
I think I may have misapplied my latitude compensator.

Dutch · 09-16-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scruge

Poland !
That explains a lot. I never mastered a HP calculator because of RPN.

btw.. From the looks of alchemyx's data, circles that look like ovals, I must of been touched by a bit of dyslexia.
I think I may have misapplied my latitude compensator.

Hmm. I might have to see if the Danish wifi circles are oval as well.. Can't recall if G.E uses a Mercator projection, or EPSG:4326. In either case, I've got the formulas for both laying around, if you need them.

Dutch

Scruge · 09-16-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch

Hmm. I might have to see if the Danish wifi circles are oval as well.. Can't recall if G.E uses a Mercator projection, or EPSG:4326. In either case, I've got the formulas for both laying around, if you need them.

Dutch

I just took a peek at the code and from the looks of things, I commented out all the latitude compensation for Circles and Averaged coverage plots.

I think I turned off the latitude compensation to speed up some debugging I was doing at the time.

I'll see if I can't get a fix out this next week.

alchemyx · 09-16-2006

Yes! You are right. After changing locale to English it worked fine. It gives really
amazing results. Maybe you could think in your spare time some workaround
for that problem, because changing locale is quite anoying (you need to
reboot windows

).

Thank you once more for a great software!

PS. If there is a possibility to make dbf support optional (which requires BDE
probably), then I could try running that software under Linux with WINE

Scruge · 09-16-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by alchemyx

Maybe you could think in your spare time some workaround
for that problem, because changing locale is quite anoying (you need to
reboot windows

Sounds like a lot of work.
It might be easier to make a suggestion to the guys at GE for it to honor the regional settings.

Quote:

PS. If there is a possibility to make dbf support optional (which requires BDE
probably), then I could try running that software under Linux with WINE

I don't see knsgem as being anymore than a curiousity.
You can always save up a bunch of files to convert to KMLs and then use them on any GE platform.

There are plenty of other scripts and converters that work with the other OSs for everyday use.
You might checkout Beakmyn's, Dutch's and Mother's converters to see if they work better for your requirements.

After all I got most of my ideas from them.

Dutch · 09-16-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scruge

There are plenty of other scripts and converters that work with the other OSs for everyday use.
You might checkout Beakmyn's, Dutch's and Mother's converters to see if they work better for your requirements.

After all I got most of my ideas from them.

Pssst.. It's not my converter, it's Phillippe Niquille's...
I just wrote an illustrated how-to on using it. I guess I should have left out the illustrations, so You'd pay more attention to the writing..

BTW, he has since posted a v.0.2 of his converter, which has some more features.

Dutch

beakmyn · 09-17-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by alchemyx

Yes! You are right. After changing locale to English it worked fine. It gives really
amazing results. Maybe you could think in your spare time some workaround
for that problem, because changing locale is quite anoying (you need to
reboot windows

).

Thank you once more for a great software!

PS. If there is a possibility to make dbf support optional (which requires BDE
probably), then I could try running that software under Linux with WINE

DBF is just a flat file format with a data file and index file, right?

Anyway, the locale issue may be two-fold. Is Netstumbler using the current locale or assuming US English? The second issue is either adapting to or ignoring the locale. My program has a similiar issue with the locale also, if I remember correctly, it shows up in the time stamp conversion.

In Windows if you use the language switcher application will it also switch the locale without a reboot?

Of interest:
http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/tools/apploc.mspx

Scruge · 09-17-2006

@ Dutch
Sorry, about that. I thought I recalled you mentioning you had taken Phillippe's script and embellished it with more functionality.

@ beakmyn
Yes, a dbf is as you've stated.

I think because NS logs use an IEEE binary format for numbers, makes it immune to local settings. However when it exports to any of the text based formats I'm not sure what happens.

I have noticed that Kismet's logs will change with the regional settings.

10-01-2006

How do you get the KML points displayed in such a way (like in the first message of this thread) in Google Earth?
I only see them as points. Is it an option added in Google Earth Plus?

simfun · 10-04-2006

Same question here. I see only points. How can i see the colored areas?

09-16-2006	#49 (permalink)
Scruge Nyuk nyuk! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: TX Posts: 1,355	You're right, the KMLs you produced don't display on my machine. Looks like your problem is caused by using a comma as a decimal point in the KML's Lat/Long data. When I converted your NS1 file the KML's had periods as decimal points. I noticed the KMLs you produced used commas. <longitude>14.2479</longitude> converted by my machine <longitude>14,2479</longitude> converted on your machine I would suggest you check your OS's regional settings for numeric formating. You might also check if GE has an option to use a different numeric format. __________________ KNSGEM A wifi boundary plotter for Google Earth Click Me

09-16-2006	#51 (permalink)
Scruge Nyuk nyuk! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: TX Posts: 1,355	Poland ! That explains a lot. I never mastered a HP calculator because of RPN. btw.. From the looks of alchemyx's data, circles that look like ovals, I must of been touched by a bit of dyslexia. I think I may have misapplied my latitude compensator. __________________ KNSGEM A wifi boundary plotter for Google Earth Click Me

09-17-2006	#58 (permalink)
Scruge Nyuk nyuk! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: TX Posts: 1,355	@ Dutch Sorry, about that. I thought I recalled you mentioning you had taken Phillippe's script and embellished it with more functionality. @ beakmyn Yes, a dbf is as you've stated. I think because NS logs use an IEEE binary format for numbers, makes it immune to local settings. However when it exports to any of the text based formats I'm not sure what happens. I have noticed that Kismet's logs will change with the regional settings. __________________ KNSGEM A wifi boundary plotter for Google Earth Click Me

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09-16-2006	#54 (permalink)
alchemyx Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Swinoujscie, Poland Posts: 9	Yes! You are right. After changing locale to English it worked fine. It gives really amazing results. Maybe you could think in your spare time some workaround for that problem, because changing locale is quite anoying (you need to reboot windows ). Thank you once more for a great software! PS. If there is a possibility to make dbf support optional (which requires BDE probably), then I could try running that software under Linux with WINE

10-01-2006	#59 (permalink)
dsdsds Posts: n/a	How do you get the KML points displayed in such a way (like in the first message of this thread) in Google Earth? I only see them as points. Is it an option added in Google Earth Plus?

10-04-2006	#60 (permalink)
simfun Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3	Same question here. I see only points. How can i see the colored areas?