no AP Ad Hoc Chat

X3ndou · 07-05-2005

Has a program been made that allows for chatting without an AP? And without having to create an ad hoc network and make someone a host, so the computers general network together with p2p as soon as they are detected (each client PC would have to send out an AP-like signal so they'd detect eachother) and as soon as another computer was detected, it's comp name would appear on the list (if they have ht eprogram running) and the clients could chat by sending out packets to one, which would send to the other, etc. and a circly would be made so that if the third in the circle sends a message then it would go to the first, then to the second. I'm suprised no one has at least attempted to create this yet as 802.11 has been out for a while. Using this same idea file transfer would be much easier because you wouldn't have to use a registry hack to make your comp show up as an AP and not ad hoc and you wouldn't have to set up an ad hoc host using windows. the client could also be compiled for Linux. I am not a good coder, so I'm not going to attempt anything this big. But just the theory.. is it possible?

streaker69 · 07-05-2005

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Originally Posted by X3ndou

Has a program been made that allows for chatting without an AP? And without having to create an ad hoc network and make someone a host, so the computers general network together with p2p as soon as they are detected (each client PC would have to send out an AP-like signal so they'd detect eachother) and as soon as another computer was detected, it's comp name would appear on the list (if they have ht eprogram running) and the clients could chat by sending out packets to one, which would send to the other, etc. and a circly would be made so that if the third in the circle sends a message then it would go to the first, then to the second. I'm suprised no one has at least attempted to create this yet as 802.11 has been out for a while. Using this same idea file transfer would be much easier because you wouldn't have to use a registry hack to make your comp show up as an AP and not ad hoc and you wouldn't have to set up an ad hoc host using windows. the client could also be compiled for Linux. I am not a good coder, so I'm not going to attempt anything this big. But just the theory.. is it possible?

Anything is possible with enough time/money.

King_Ice_Flash · 07-05-2005

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Originally Posted by X3ndou

Has a program been made that allows for chatting without an AP? And without having to create an ad hoc network and make someone a host, so the computers general network together with p2p as soon as they are detected (each client PC would have to send out an AP-like signal so they'd detect eachother) and as soon as another computer was detected, it's comp name would appear on the list (if they have ht eprogram running) and the clients could chat by sending out packets to one, which would send to the other, etc. and a circly would be made so that if the third in the circle sends a message then it would go to the first, then to the second. I'm suprised no one has at least attempted to create this yet as 802.11 has been out for a while. Using this same idea file transfer would be much easier because you wouldn't have to use a registry hack to make your comp show up as an AP and not ad hoc and you wouldn't have to set up an ad hoc host using windows. the client could also be compiled for Linux. I am not a good coder, so I'm not going to attempt anything this big. But just the theory.. is it possible?

IRC, It's like multi-player notepad.

X3ndou · 07-06-2005

I know that "everything is possible", but has it been done? If not, then why? Is there some kind of complication which would make it hard to code?

Thorn · 07-06-2005

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Originally Posted by X3ndou

I know that "everything is possible", but has it been done? If not, then why? Is there some kind of complication which would make it hard to code?

*No.
*Probably because it would seem break the to the 802.11 specifications, if I'm understanding what you want to do.
*Yes. You'd have to break the specs and hack (as in machete) the crap out of the registry. See the second answer.

Dutch · 07-06-2005

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Originally Posted by X3ndou

Has a program been made that allows for chatting without an AP? And without having to create an ad hoc network and make someone a host, so the computers general network together with p2p as soon as they are detected (each client PC would have to send out an AP-like signal so they'd detect eachother) and as soon as another computer was detected, it's comp name would appear on the list (if they have ht eprogram running) and the clients could chat by sending out packets to one, which would send to the other, etc. and a circly would be made so that if the third in the circle sends a message then it would go to the first, then to the second. I'm suprised no one has at least attempted to create this yet as 802.11 has been out for a while. Using this same idea file transfer would be much easier because you wouldn't have to use a registry hack to make your comp show up as an AP and not ad hoc and you wouldn't have to set up an ad hoc host using windows. the client could also be compiled for Linux. I am not a good coder, so I'm not going to attempt anything this big. But just the theory.. is it possible?

Holy Fuck.. Run-on sentence... Ever thought about retaking grammar classes, and learn to structuate your writing ?

Dutch

X3ndou · 07-06-2005

Structuate.. hahah, that isn't even a word. Relax a little, it's a forum. So I'm guessing then that the problem is that it's hard to just send out 802.11 signals without using the 802.11 standards in windows for connecting to APs and ad hoc and stuff?

G8tK33per · 07-06-2005

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Originally Posted by X3ndou

Structuate.. hahah, that isn't even a word. Relax a little, it's a forum. So I'm guessing then that the problem is that it's hard to just send out 802.11 signals without using the 802.11 standards in windows for connecting to APs and ad hoc and stuff?

Now there's some smarts for ya'...run yer suck to the mods. JagOff.

theprez98 · 07-06-2005

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Originally Posted by X3ndou

Structuate.. hahah, that isn't even a word. Relax a little, it's a forum. So I'm guessing then that the problem is that it's hard to just send out 802.11 signals without using the 802.11 standards in windows for connecting to APs and ad hoc and stuff?

It's a forum that has members all over the globe, not just Americans who speak and write poor English.

http://www.netstumbler.org/showthread.php?t=12814

Thorn · 07-06-2005

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Originally Posted by X3ndou

Structuate.. hahah, that isn't even a word.

Considering that English is Dutch's forth or fifth language, and he writes it in a more proper manner than half of the native English speakers here, I think we'll over look this one.

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Originally Posted by X3ndou

Relax a little, it's a forum.

That does not excuse you from writing properly. I would suggest you Read the Rules as soon as possible. You're already treading close to the Bin.

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Originally Posted by X3ndou

So I'm guessing then that the problem is that it's hard to just send out 802.11 signals without using the 802.11 standards in windows for connecting to APs and ad hoc and stuff?

Jesus, anoth run-on sentence. Do you have any idea how difficult this is to follow?

To answer what I believe you are asking: Yes. The 802.11 standard comprised of both hardware and software components. It is difficult to use only one portion of those components, while ignoring the others, and expect any of it to work properly.

wrzwaldo · 07-06-2005

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Originally Posted by X3ndou

Structuate.. hahah, that isn't even a word. Relax a little, it's a forum. So I'm guessing then that the problem is that it's hard to just send out 802.11 signals without using the 802.11 standards in windows for connecting to APs and ad hoc and stuff?

It is now fucktardius moranius!

http://www.netstumbler.org/showpost....84&postcount=6

nashr · 07-06-2005

Yes he's a 'tard, but perhaps this is what he's thinking of doing?

Just a thought... back to the BBQ!

wrzwaldo · 07-06-2005

In case the above link fails.

http://www.personalwireless.org/tools/APChat/

Thorn · 07-06-2005

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Originally Posted by nashr

Yes he's a 'tard, but perhaps this is what he's thinking of doing?

Just a thought... back to the BBQ!

I thought of APChat (briefly) but he's talking about directly bypassing the network setup of either Infrastucture, which APChat needs, or Ad Hoc. What he wants (if I understood the first post correctly - it was tough) is an Ad Hoc/P2P chat with no user intervention. It would be fired up and establish communications with any other client in the immediate area. I suppose you could make this work like XP's WZC (that slutty software that will will hook up with anything out there), create the Ad Hoc network on the fly and then have a chat function kick in.

You still need the Ad Hoc network though, or the 802.11 standard breaks.

arsham11 · 07-10-2005

Well, been a while since the last time I was here and I see not much has changed and most of the posts are still insults, such a shame cosidering the amount of knowledge in this place...

back to the topic, it should be actually pretty easy to implement, just by using the default AutoIP addresses which will be used if there is no AP/DHCP Server present, and defining a multi-cast group... oh well, this would basically be something like a UPnP discovery process.... something like SSDP broadcast packets and blah blah blah...

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X3ndou Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5	no AP Ad Hoc Chat Has a program been made that allows for chatting without an AP? And without having to create an ad hoc network and make someone a host, so the computers general network together with p2p as soon as they are detected (each client PC would have to send out an AP-like signal so they'd detect eachother) and as soon as another computer was detected, it's comp name would appear on the list (if they have ht eprogram running) and the clients could chat by sending out packets to one, which would send to the other, etc. and a circly would be made so that if the third in the circle sends a message then it would go to the first, then to the second. I'm suprised no one has at least attempted to create this yet as 802.11 has been out for a while. Using this same idea file transfer would be much easier because you wouldn't have to use a registry hack to make your comp show up as an AP and not ad hoc and you wouldn't have to set up an ad hoc host using windows. the client could also be compiled for Linux. I am not a good coder, so I'm not going to attempt anything this big. But just the theory.. is it possible?

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nashr Uber Geek Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,615	Yes he's a 'tard, but perhaps this is what he's thinking of doing? Just a thought... back to the BBQ! __________________ Help! I've been Simpsonized!

07-10-2005	#15 (permalink)
arsham11 <-121-> Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: California Posts: 29	I see nothing has changed... Well, been a while since the last time I was here and I see not much has changed and most of the posts are still insults, such a shame cosidering the amount of knowledge in this place... back to the topic, it should be actually pretty easy to implement, just by using the default AutoIP addresses which will be used if there is no AP/DHCP Server present, and defining a multi-cast group... oh well, this would basically be something like a UPnP discovery process.... something like SSDP broadcast packets and blah blah blah... __________________ <-arS-121-Ham->

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07-06-2005	#4 (permalink)
X3ndou Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5	I know that "everything is possible", but has it been done? If not, then why? Is there some kind of complication which would make it hard to code?

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X3ndou Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5	Structuate.. hahah, that isn't even a word. Relax a little, it's a forum. So I'm guessing then that the problem is that it's hard to just send out 802.11 signals without using the 802.11 standards in windows for connecting to APs and ad hoc and stuff?

07-06-2005	#13 (permalink)
wrzwaldo I amuse you? Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 9,127	In case the above link fails. http://www.personalwireless.org/tools/APChat/