Any Apple alternatives?

AlyssaTX · 09-04-2002

I keep seing war driving and similar type of wireless events on TV and I keep seing people use IBOOKS! Well I have an IBOOK with a wireless card but I have yet to find what these people are using for the mac.

Please help if anyone knows of any apple alternative software

Thanks a bunch guys

blackwave · 09-04-2002

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Originally posted by AlyssaTX
Please help if anyone knows of any apple alternative software
Thanks a bunch guys

you have korben's macstumbler, which is pretty slick, currently it does not have gps support, but we are trying to get him to put it in and have a common export format

http://homepage.mac.com/macstumbler/

and kismet has linux ppc support
http://www.kismetwireless.net/

Nokia · 09-04-2002

Got an extra GPS device laying around yer not using? Donate it to korben so MacStumbler can have GPS support

korben@cox.net hehehe

AlyssaTX · 09-04-2002

Thank you so much blackwave, be on the look out for a blonde girl walking around pointing her ibook everywhere like a madwoman

blackwave · 09-04-2002

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Originally posted by AlyssaTX
Thank you so much blackwave, be on the look out for a blonde girl walking around pointing her ibook everywhere like a madwoman

During the OC Worldwide WarDrive Korben opened up his iBook and checked to see if the pigtail connector was the same as his iBook connection for his built in antenna and it was, from then we were thinking about how to route a pigtail through his modem port up and around to be able to fit into without too much modification... though I don't think he liked the idea of having a large N-Type adapter dangling from his iBook... but the iBook is nice for stumbling, great power usage, though for the antenna he sometimes needed to point his laptop to an AP that I was getting from my external to hit it. (hence why he was interested in adding an external antenna)

Thunderforge · 09-04-2002

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Originally posted by blackwave

During the OC Worldwide WarDrive Korben opened up his iBook and checked to see if the pigtail connector was the same as his iBook connection for his built in antenna and it was

That's odd. The ORiNOCO spec on the MiniPCI card (AirPort card) said the FCC required it not be a readily available socket.

damage · 09-04-2002

I geuss it depends on what you consider readily available... you have to release 3 clips and lift up the keybaord to get to it... pretty easy for your averagely competant user but not so easy for you typical iBook target audience.

Thunderforge · 09-04-2002

The direct quote from the ORiNOCO spec says, "The connectors are mechanically unique such that no off-the-shelf connector will fit (FCC requirement)."

The antenna overview for the MiniPCI card can be seen in: http://forums.netstumbler.com/showth...r&pagenumber=2

blackwave · 09-04-2002

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Originally posted by Thunderforge
The direct quote from the ORiNOCO spec says

yeah we compared the connectors and they were identical, and the pigtail I got from fab-corp fit in just as the one on the iBook.

Thorn · 09-04-2002

The FCC doesn't want your average joe to be able to go into RatShack, buy a connector, hook up the laptop to his TV arial, and broadcast WiFi over 30 square blocks. That's all. Hence the regulation that the connector not be "readily available."

BTW, rumor has it, according to a wireless info group I belong to, that the FCC has told WiFi manuafacturers to get rid or otherwise change the more common connectors, such as the ORiNOCO's. Seems that they are becoming too "readily available."

Technically, there are probably quite a few people out there who are illegal.

For instance:
-Antennae and cards are required to be certified to work together as a system. Yes, you can't legally swap antennae for a different one unless it is certifed by the card/AP maker.
-Installations of other than the original equipment are supposed to be done by a "professional installer."
-Homemade antennae are a no-no, unless you've got a ham license.

There's more. To increase your paranoia level, check out Part 15 of the FCC regs.

damage · 09-05-2002

So do we all turn ourselves in now ?

I've already bolted the doors nailed planks to the windows, pissed off the dog so it bites anyone who breathes wrong and transferred all my cash into offshore accounts in case I need to make a run for it.

Paranoid...me... who told you that !!!!!

Thorn · 09-05-2002

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Originally posted by damage
So do we all turn ourselves in now ?

I've already bolted the doors nailed planks to the windows, pissed off the dog so it bites anyone who breathes wrong and transferred all my cash into offshore accounts in case I need to make a run for it.

Paranoid...me... who told you that !!!!!

I hope you transferred all that cash to the account number I gave you. Very safe. Trust me.

And I think paranoia is a requirement here. But what a minute... You're REALLY PARANOID if you're in Oz and you're worried about the FCC.

Now, we can discuss the conspriacy theories involving Australia. Lone Pine, isn't it?

damage · 09-05-2002

He He Pine Gap... they tell us it's just a radio base... honest

joshua · 12-18-2002

For my iBOOK I just had it so the pigtail came out the top and I didn't "plug" the keyboard back in place, so it kind of left the keyboard loppy.. but who needs a keyboard while warDriving?

khel · 12-18-2002

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Originally posted by AlyssaTX
Thank you so much blackwave, be on the look out for a blonde girl walking around pointing her ibook everywhere like a madwoman

OK, you asked for it :-) (taking my ipaq, antenna, putting on my boots, and going out.... hmm, did I forget anything? )

09-04-2002	#1 (permalink)
AlyssaTX Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 2	Any Apple alternatives? I keep seing war driving and similar type of wireless events on TV and I keep seing people use IBOOKS! Well I have an IBOOK with a wireless card but I have yet to find what these people are using for the mac. Please help if anyone knows of any apple alternative software Thanks a bunch guys

09-04-2002	#4 (permalink)
AlyssaTX Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 2	thank you blackwave Thank you so much blackwave, be on the look out for a blonde girl walking around pointing her ibook everywhere like a madwoman

09-04-2002	#8 (permalink)
Thunderforge Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 342	The direct quote from the ORiNOCO spec says, "The connectors are mechanically unique such that no off-the-shelf connector will fit (FCC requirement)." The antenna overview for the MiniPCI card can be seen in: http://forums.netstumbler.com/showth...r&pagenumber=2 __________________ Back to the forge, TF

09-04-2002	#10 (permalink)
Thorn Did you do the math? Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Villa Straylight Posts: 10,098	The FCC doesn't want your average joe to be able to go into RatShack, buy a connector, hook up the laptop to his TV arial, and broadcast WiFi over 30 square blocks. That's all. Hence the regulation that the connector not be "readily available." BTW, rumor has it, according to a wireless info group I belong to, that the FCC has told WiFi manuafacturers to get rid or otherwise change the more common connectors, such as the ORiNOCO's. Seems that they are becoming too "readily available." Technically, there are probably quite a few people out there who are illegal. For instance: -Antennae and cards are required to be certified to work together as a system. Yes, you can't legally swap antennae for a different one unless it is certifed by the card/AP maker. -Installations of other than the original equipment are supposed to be done by a "professional installer." -Homemade antennae are a no-no, unless you've got a ham license. There's more. To increase your paranoia level, check out Part 15 of the FCC regs. __________________ Thorn "I'm The Doctor. I'm a Time Lord. I am from the planet Gallifrey in the constellation Kasterborous. I'm 903 years old and I am the man who is going to save your lives and all 6 billion people on the planet below... You got a problem with that?"

12-18-2002	#14 (permalink)
joshua six6.nu Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: el toro, ca. Posts: 29	For my iBOOK I just had it so the pigtail came out the top and I didn't "plug" the keyboard back in place, so it kind of left the keyboard loppy.. but who needs a keyboard while warDriving? __________________ six6.nu

09-04-2002	#3 (permalink)
Nokia Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 32	Got an extra GPS device laying around yer not using? Donate it to korben so MacStumbler can have GPS support korben@cox.net hehehe

09-04-2002	#7 (permalink)
damage Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 173	I geuss it depends on what you consider readily available... you have to release 3 clips and lift up the keybaord to get to it... pretty easy for your averagely competant user but not so easy for you typical iBook target audience.

09-05-2002	#11 (permalink)
damage Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 173	So do we all turn ourselves in now ? I've already bolted the doors nailed planks to the windows, pissed off the dog so it bites anyone who breathes wrong and transferred all my cash into offshore accounts in case I need to make a run for it. Paranoid...me... who told you that !!!!!

09-05-2002	#13 (permalink)
damage Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 173	He He Pine Gap... they tell us it's just a radio base... honest

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