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Old 05-08-2005   #1 (permalink)
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Cheapo GPS device worked on my G3 ibook with tiger, but not my new G4?

The only difference that I can tell is that the G4 ibook has USB 2.0 (which the GPS mouse is listed as supporting, but even if it didn't, USB is backwards compatible.)
The device itself has a 9 pin DIN connector plugged into the DIN->USB adaptor.

The issue specifically is that when plugged in, the device does not show up any device list from within KisMAC and Macstumbler. After pludding around /dev, I'm thoroughly sure the device is not operating.

This is the device:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWN%3AIT&rd=1

Anyone have any experience with this sort of problem?
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What adapter are you using, that's the important part.
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Quote:
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The only difference that I can tell is that the G4 ibook has USB 2.0 (which the GPS mouse is listed as supporting, but even if it didn't, USB is backwards compatible.)
The device itself has a 9 pin DIN connector plugged into the DIN->USB adaptor.

The issue specifically is that when plugged in, the device does not show up any device list from within KisMAC and Macstumbler. After pludding around /dev, I'm thoroughly sure the device is not operating.

This is the device:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWN%3AIT&rd=1

Anyone have any experience with this sort of problem?
According to the ebay listing and the inclusion of the Winfast Navigator CD, it's an OEM version or a previous version of the Leadtek GPS mouse.
These use the Prolific PL2303 USB to Serial chip.
If MacOS X doesn't have the driver for the PL2303 chip included, that might be the reason why it isn't detected.
Not having played with a MacOS machine since MacOS 7 days, I'm not sure how close MacOS X is to standard *nix, but if you have access to a x86 type PC, try to boot up a linux live CD such as Knoppix which has the PL2303 driver available, and then attach the GPS mouse. It should be detected and listed by a dmesg|tail command :

Code:
usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Generic
usbcore: registered new driver usbserial_generic
usbcore: registered new driver usbserial
drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial Driver core v2.0
drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for PL-2303
pl2303 1-1:1.0: PL-2303 converter detected
usb 1-1: PL-2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0
usbcore: registered new driver pl2303
drivers/usb/serial/pl2303.c: Prolific PL2303 USB to serial adaptor driver v0.12
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What adapter are you using, that's the important part.
The one included with it (the 9 pin DIN -> USB) is unbranded. I am at work at the moment, but when I get home I'll check for other markings.

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According to the ebay listing and the inclusion of the Winfast Navigator CD, it's an OEM version or a previous version of the Leadtek GPS mouse.
These use the Prolific PL2303 USB to Serial chip.
If MacOS X doesn't have the driver for the PL2303 chip included, that might be the reason why it isn't detected.
Not having played with a MacOS machine since MacOS 7 days, I'm not sure how close MacOS X is to standard *nix, but if you have access to a x86 type PC, try to boot up a linux live CD such as Knoppix which has the PL2303 driver available, and then attach the GPS mouse. It should be detected and listed by a dmesg|tail command :

Code:
usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Generic
usbcore: registered new driver usbserial_generic
usbcore: registered new driver usbserial
drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial Driver core v2.0
drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for PL-2303
pl2303 1-1:1.0: PL-2303 converter detected
usb 1-1: PL-2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0
usbcore: registered new driver pl2303
drivers/usb/serial/pl2303.c: Prolific PL2303 USB to serial adaptor driver v0.12
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Thanks for the info! Some googling shows that there are OS X drivers for the PL2303. The only odd thing is that the device was detected and ran perfectly on my G3 ibook (USB 1.1) with no extra drivers. Both of the ibooks run the latest version (10.4) of MacOS, so taking an uneducated guess, maybe it has something to do with included drivers for the USB 1.1 bus versus the USB 2.0. Which would be kind of weird.
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I've not been able to get a PL2303 device to work with kismac. It shows in system profiler, but kismac doesn't see it. With my keyspan usb to serial adapter my garmin works great though. X.4 breaks a lot of things.
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You guys know how the bluetooth GPS units fare?

Might be a decent investment in the long run.
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No clue, don't have bluetooth on anything but the G5...
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Got it!

And I think I traced the issue.

The driver found via http://tech.prolific.com.tw/visitor/v_fileBrw.asp gives the right one, just needed to be installed, and viola, it goes.

Why it worked on my G3? I remembered I borrowed my friend's Garmin eTrex and his Serial->USB adaptor. My hunch is that it was the same chipset (his of course included mac drivers on CD). Thanks for the help!
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