Atheros (MADWIFI) compared to Hermes

ZioPRoTo · 12-13-2004

Hello,

I'm pretty unlucky 'cause I own an atheros chipset PCMCIA card that works great on all laptops except on mine, seems like there is some HW problem.

I was thinking to get a Lucent Avaya Card, that should come with a Hermes chipset. I heard that drivers are already on the kernel, and patching you also should be able to get the card in monitor and master mode.

Is there a new release of the driver that does not need to be patched to get monitor and master mode working?

I'm basically trading my Atheros for a Hermes, is it really a good deal?

ZioPRoTo

Dutch · 12-13-2004

Depends.. Atheros cards are generally 802.11b/g or 802.11a/b or 802.11a/b/g compatible.
If your card is 802.11b/g compatible and you need 11g compatibility, then it's a bad swap.
If your card is 802.11a/b compatible and you need 11a compatibility, then it's a bad swap.
If your card is 802.11a/b/g compatible and you need 11g or 11a compatibility, then it's a bad swap.

Dutch

RedSector · 12-13-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZioPRoTo

Hello,

I'm pretty unlucky 'cause I own an atheros chipset PCMCIA card that works great on all laptops except on mine, seems like there is some HW problem.

I was thinking to get a Lucent Avaya Card, that should come with a Hermes chipset. I heard that drivers are already on the kernel, and patching you also should be able to get the card in monitor and master mode.

Is there a new release of the driver that does not need to be patched to get monitor and master mode working?

I'm basically trading my Atheros for a Hermes, is it really a good deal?

ZioPRoTo

I also think it depends on what distro you use. Because when I dealt with gentoo it didn't have support for anything that wasn't added manually. Personally I am a fan of the Prism 2.5 chipset but to each his own.

King_Ice_Flash · 12-13-2004

And since this is the NetStumbler forums. We are assuming that you would also want to use NetStumbler. As of righ now, Atheros support is poor with NS, but a Hermes card will even give you SNR reporting.

ZioPRoTo · 12-14-2004

I'm reading the posts and I thought that maybe I explained my self really badly!

The point is, I have a laptop with a hardware incompatibility working with ATHEROS chipset. Passing to a HERMES solution is the answer??

There are HERMES drivers for linux with features like madwifi.

This is it

ZioPRoTo

RedSector · 12-14-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZioPRoTo

I'm reading the posts and I thought that maybe I explained my self really badly!

The point is, I have a laptop with a hardware incompatibility working with ATHEROS chipset. Passing to a HERMES solution is the answer??

There are HERMES drivers for linux with features like madwifi.

This is it

ZioPRoTo

I *think* I get at what your asking. Using the Hermes isn't the only solution. You could use a Prism card. Both require drivers, though it depends on what linux distro you use if there already compiled into the kernel. So if you are looking for hardware compatibility Hermes, and Prism chipsets are probably your best bet.

devine · 12-14-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZioPRoTo

The point is, I have a laptop with a hardware incompatibility working with ATHEROS chipset. Passing to a HERMES solution is the answer??

Depends on whether you need 11g or not. If so, Prism54 should do, otherwise any Prism2/2.5 should work fine. (11b) Orinocos should be avoided, unless you really need to capture packets under Windows.

Barry · 12-14-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by devine

Depends on whether you need 11g or not. If so, Prism54 should do, otherwise any Prism2/2.5 should work fine. (11b) Orinocos should be avoided, unless you really need to capture packets under Windows.

What's wrong with Orinoco's?? I use one in my lappy all the time.

RedSector · 12-14-2004

I wouldn't say that ORiNOCOs should be avoided, but Prism 2.5s like the Senao have a higher transmit power, and higher recive sensitivity.

Barry · 12-14-2004

Bhaa! If you need better recieve sensitivity, just get a bigger antenna!!

RedSector · 12-14-2004

...or use the Senao PLUS a sensitive antenna.
Thats what im doing.

Barry · 12-14-2004

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Dutch · 12-15-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry

Bhaa! If you need better recieve sensitivity, just get a bigger antenna!!

Sheesh.. Some people just want to spend money.. Or are to lazy...

MOVE CLOSER to the AP is the MOST cost effective solution... And the exercise is healthy...

Dutch

RedSector · 12-15-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch

Sheesh.. Some people just want to spend money.. Or are to lazy...

MOVE CLOSER to the AP is the MOST cost effective solution... And the exercise is healthy...

Dutch

Very true, but where is the fun in that?

grcore · 01-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZioPRoTo

Hello,

I'm pretty unlucky 'cause I own an atheros chipset PCMCIA card that works great on all laptops except on mine, seems like there is some HW problem.

ZioPRoTo

I had a problem with and atheros cardbus card, and found a fix for it. was a bios problem. what was the problem with yours?

g

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ZioPRoTo Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34	Atheros (MADWIFI) compared to Hermes Hello, I'm pretty unlucky 'cause I own an atheros chipset PCMCIA card that works great on all laptops except on mine, seems like there is some HW problem. I was thinking to get a Lucent Avaya Card, that should come with a Hermes chipset. I heard that drivers are already on the kernel, and patching you also should be able to get the card in monitor and master mode. Is there a new release of the driver that does not need to be patched to get monitor and master mode working? I'm basically trading my Atheros for a Hermes, is it really a good deal? ZioPRoTo __________________ See my stupid personal web site! http://zioproto.serveftp.com

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Dutch Humourless EuroMod. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: City of Mermaids, Denmark Posts: 6,813	Depends.. Atheros cards are generally 802.11b/g or 802.11a/b or 802.11a/b/g compatible. If your card is 802.11b/g compatible and you need 11g compatibility, then it's a bad swap. If your card is 802.11a/b compatible and you need 11a compatibility, then it's a bad swap. If your card is 802.11a/b/g compatible and you need 11g or 11a compatibility, then it's a bad swap. Dutch __________________ All your answers are belong to Google. SEARCH DAMMIT! Warning. Warning. Low C8H10N4O2 level detected. Operator halted....

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King_Ice_Flash Alien Paranoid Stumbler Join Date: May 2003 Location: WI Posts: 2,629	And since this is the NetStumbler forums. We are assuming that you would also want to use NetStumbler. As of righ now, Atheros support is poor with NS, but a Hermes card will even give you SNR reporting. __________________ "Yeah," said a voice from under the table, "you go to pieces so fast people get hit by the shrapnel."

12-14-2004	#5 (permalink)
ZioPRoTo Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34	I'm reading the posts and I thought that maybe I explained my self really badly! The point is, I have a laptop with a hardware incompatibility working with ATHEROS chipset. Passing to a HERMES solution is the answer?? There are HERMES drivers for linux with features like madwifi. This is it ZioPRoTo __________________ See my stupid personal web site! http://zioproto.serveftp.com

12-14-2004	#10 (permalink)
Barry Managing the iTards. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,383	Bhaa! If you need better recieve sensitivity, just get a bigger antenna!! __________________ Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

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RedSector Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Illinois Posts: 673	I wouldn't say that ORiNOCOs should be avoided, but Prism 2.5s like the Senao have a higher transmit power, and higher recive sensitivity.

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RedSector Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Illinois Posts: 673	...or use the Senao PLUS a sensitive antenna. Thats what im doing.

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Barry Managing the iTards. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,383	____________ __________________ Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

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