Mandrake 8.1 and Orinoco Gold

01-23-2002

Anyone have any experience in getting this setup to work properly? I have followed the instructions on Orinoco Website, but I am not sure how to configure the card once it is installed. Also, is there something different that I have to do to get the card to drop down into promiscious mode and work in that way with Ethereal?

01-23-2002

For mandrake I believe you must recompile the kernel. I recommend installing slackware, it's much easier to get it up and running. I have it set up under slackware and everything compiled and installed properly and painlessly. (pcmcia-cs, linux-wlan-ng, and airsnort)

01-25-2002

The card is recognized fine. Does anyone know how your configure the card? Also, how can I get it to work in promiscious mode with Ethereal? Do I need to configure something?

Thanks

01-25-2002

Well it depends what you installed. Did you install on mdk still? For the linux-wlan-ng, you also have to patch the source before you compile and install it, like it says in the airsnort readme. Or else it is lacking the ability to be able to listen in promiscuous mode. Having said that, once everything is installed properly, there is a shell script with the commands to put it into promiscuous mode in the airsnort package. Here is the command from the script.

--- Begin /airsnort-0.1.0/scripts/dopromisc.sh ---

wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_wlansniff channel=6 enable=true

--- End /airsnort-0.1.0/scripts/dopromisc.sh ---

Hope this helps

-- ZeroBreak

01-25-2002

Well I did the base Mandrake 8.1 install. It then seems to detect the card, as I isert it, it does the 2 high pitched beeps and the card blinks rapidly. So now that I have done that I need to compile something else? I apologize but I am a Linux newbie.

Thanks again.

01-26-2002

If I remember correctly mdk doesn't install the pcmcia-cs drivers, instead it install's a generic set by default when it detect's a pcmcia adapter. That's why you still hear the 2 beeps when you put in your card. However it's not configured for wireless. You also have to have the source of pcmcia-cs installed to compile the linux-wlan-ng package. I tried for a while to get it to run on mdk, but after a couple days I installed slackware and got it running on there no problem. Listed below are the package versions you need to get everything to compile properly.

PCMCIA-CS 3.1.26
linux-wlan-ng 0.1.8 pre13
linux-wlan-ng patch

Install slackware. It's not any harder than mdk to install so don't worry about it. Install the pcmcia-cs drivers like the readme says. Then when you extract the linux-wlan-ng files from the tar, install the patch file. The airsnort readme says howto do that. Then install the linux-wlan-ng package like the readme says. And you should be all set. I'm pretty bad at explaining things so if you want my icq number is 24866574, hehe.

-- ZeroBreak

01-27-2002

Hi,
AFAIK the wlan-ng drivers only support prism based cards.

The stock 2.4.x kernels include most of the PCMCIA-cs package and include drivers for both Hermes and Prism based cards.

Prism support is a bit naff though (hence the wlan-ng project) and you can't put either type of card into monitor mode using the PCMCIA-cs drivers :-/.

Also, since wlang-ng v0.1.10 the monitoring code has been (re)included. So there is no need to use 0.1.8 and the patch :-). Latest version is 0.1.13pre1.

If you want to do promiscuous sniffing under Linux get a Prism II based card.

As you have an Orinoco card then you could just get the Wildpackets driver and use it in Windows for promiscuous sniffing.

--Bovine

01-27-2002

So, is it safe to say that you cannot do Promiscious in Linux with Orinoco card? Ok, if that is true, ok, but once my card is found, how do I configure it to a particular AP? Can I WEP Crack with an Orinoco card?

Newbie....

01-27-2002

Hi,
You can use the iwconfig command to configure the card.

Once you've inserted the card (and it's, er 'beeped') run the dmesg command. This will give you a log of what the kernel has been doing and should indicate as to wether or not the driver (kernel module) for your card has been loaded.

Also try the lsmod command to see what modules are currently loaded.

This site should help - http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Orinoco.html

Apparently you can put a hermes card into monitor mode... but only if you have version 4.x firmware.

Anyone tried downgrading thier cards this far?

Prism based cards can be had for 'nout on www.ebay.com however.

--Bovine

02-05-2002

I got the wlan-ng drivers "working", for some value of working. I had to hack out some bits of the driver which didn't work as expected on this card, but it didn't look like they actually mattered (they just read information from the card but none of the rest of the driver code looked at any of it, so unless there's some weird side effect...)

The driver will load, wlanctl will put it in "sniff" mode, and airsnort's "capture" program will read packets from it -- but they're all encrypted so I can't tell if the driver is actually sniffing packets or what headers are on them.

... and I can't seem to make it work properly when I tell it what the WEP key is for either my 40-bit or my 128-bit LAN.

At the moment, I don't have an unencrypted network to fiddle with.

02-27-2002

Mandrake 7.2 and up will install the wlan drivers and alias it to ethX (or wlanX in 7.2 or below). You can see the signal and data through /proc/net/wireless(i *think*) I've been using this card with mandrake for over a year, no problems. 9 outta 10 times it will pick up the active channel also, if not, pull it and replug.

02-28-2002

I have mdk 8.1 linux and my orinico gold works fine... it even loads the pcmcia_cs stuff and I can sniff packets, nestumble and other crap. And I always get the 2 beeps. What did I do right???

SAU <-- doesn't do non-custom installs

03-13-2002

Installed that the other night and am trying hard to figure it all out - noob here. Iwconfig sees both cards Prism and Orinoco depending on eth0 or eth1. Network config wizard seems geared for wired networks though and was of no use. Not sure I've gotten a DHCP lease and have mainly been tinkering trying to get Kismet and other toys runing. Form what you've said about 8.1 it sounds like it can go promiscous without a recompile - yes? If so that's a relief! I'm still installing Libpcap, Ethereal, and the GPS stuff so I'm not quite "there" yet but skipping having to diff and recompile would be NICE.

FWIW - I simply left the two cards in while the OS was installed. It seemed to recognize the cards with no help from me at all. Slowly getting there but for someone who's only used Linux briefly a few times it's a real PITA...

03-24-2002

I have mdk 8.2 working on my ibm tp600e and it found my cards perfectly well, as seen in dmseg, even though I'm a little confused that it detects the orinoco card 3 times....atleast the mac adress.
Well, what I can see the card works perfectly well, BUT i can't get it out on the net.
It's connected to my ISPs AP, atleast i should. It works fine in w2k.
BUT when I take a look at the mdk control center in 8.2 and look at the connection, it says it's not connected.
I try to connect and you see the send/recive info and you can se that both work fine.
Then the system says "there it something wrong with your connection, check controll center"
It not much I can do there.
The orinoco card is eth0 and I have marked it to get the ip from the dhcp server..
the other card is 3com589 and thats suppsed to be gateway for the rest of the computers on the network.
in the expert mode you give the gateway adress, I suppose that's my ISPs gateway that I should state here...
Please advice me. I'm i linux newbie so try to overclear in your answer :-)
I'm considering to run slackware, but I didn't have the time in friday to download those isos....

03-24-2002

to get kismet to work w/o errors. The 2.4.18 kernel is supposed to help. This all helps my cisco WLAN-NIC out but I'm not sure about my Orinoco card as yet since I uploaded to it with the 8.10 firmware which I've read doesn't work with the shmoo patch thing.

01-23-2002	#1 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	Mandrake 8.1 and Orinoco Gold Anyone have any experience in getting this setup to work properly? I have followed the instructions on Orinoco Website, but I am not sure how to configure the card once it is installed. Also, is there something different that I have to do to get the card to drop down into promiscious mode and work in that way with Ethereal?

01-25-2002	#3 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	I got it setup....what do I do to configure the card? The card is recognized fine. Does anyone know how your configure the card? Also, how can I get it to work in promiscious mode with Ethereal? Do I need to configure something? Thanks

01-25-2002	#5 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	Hmmm Well I did the base Mandrake 8.1 install. It then seems to detect the card, as I isert it, it does the 2 high pitched beeps and the card blinks rapidly. So now that I have done that I need to compile something else? I apologize but I am a Linux newbie. Thanks again.

01-27-2002	#7 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	Prism... Hi, AFAIK the wlan-ng drivers only support prism based cards. The stock 2.4.x kernels include most of the PCMCIA-cs package and include drivers for both Hermes and Prism based cards. Prism support is a bit naff though (hence the wlan-ng project) and you can't put either type of card into monitor mode using the PCMCIA-cs drivers :-/. Also, since wlang-ng v0.1.10 the monitoring code has been (re)included. So there is no need to use 0.1.8 and the patch :-). Latest version is 0.1.13pre1. If you want to do promiscuous sniffing under Linux get a Prism II based card. As you have an Orinoco card then you could just get the Wildpackets driver and use it in Windows for promiscuous sniffing. --Bovine

01-27-2002	#8 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	No Promiscious mode in Linux w/ Orinoco? So, is it safe to say that you cannot do Promiscious in Linux with Orinoco card? Ok, if that is true, ok, but once my card is found, how do I configure it to a particular AP? Can I WEP Crack with an Orinoco card? Newbie....

01-23-2002	#2 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	For mandrake I believe you must recompile the kernel. I recommend installing slackware, it's much easier to get it up and running. I have it set up under slackware and everything compiled and installed properly and painlessly. (pcmcia-cs, linux-wlan-ng, and airsnort)

01-25-2002	#4 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	Well it depends what you installed. Did you install on mdk still? For the linux-wlan-ng, you also have to patch the source before you compile and install it, like it says in the airsnort readme. Or else it is lacking the ability to be able to listen in promiscuous mode. Having said that, once everything is installed properly, there is a shell script with the commands to put it into promiscuous mode in the airsnort package. Here is the command from the script. --- Begin /airsnort-0.1.0/scripts/dopromisc.sh --- wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_wlansniff channel=6 enable=true --- End /airsnort-0.1.0/scripts/dopromisc.sh --- Hope this helps -- ZeroBreak

01-26-2002	#6 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	If I remember correctly mdk doesn't install the pcmcia-cs drivers, instead it install's a generic set by default when it detect's a pcmcia adapter. That's why you still hear the 2 beeps when you put in your card. However it's not configured for wireless. You also have to have the source of pcmcia-cs installed to compile the linux-wlan-ng package. I tried for a while to get it to run on mdk, but after a couple days I installed slackware and got it running on there no problem. Listed below are the package versions you need to get everything to compile properly. PCMCIA-CS 3.1.26 linux-wlan-ng 0.1.8 pre13 linux-wlan-ng patch Install slackware. It's not any harder than mdk to install so don't worry about it. Install the pcmcia-cs drivers like the readme says. Then when you extract the linux-wlan-ng files from the tar, install the patch file. The airsnort readme says howto do that. Then install the linux-wlan-ng package like the readme says. And you should be all set. I'm pretty bad at explaining things so if you want my icq number is 24866574, hehe. -- ZeroBreak

01-27-2002	#9 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	iwconfig Hi, You can use the iwconfig command to configure the card. Once you've inserted the card (and it's, er 'beeped') run the dmesg command. This will give you a log of what the kernel has been doing and should indicate as to wether or not the driver (kernel module) for your card has been loaded. Also try the lsmod command to see what modules are currently loaded. This site should help - http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Orinoco.html Apparently you can put a hermes card into monitor mode... but only if you have version 4.x firmware. Anyone tried downgrading thier cards this far? Prism based cards can be had for 'nout on www.ebay.com however. --Bovine

02-05-2002	#10 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	Dell 1150 Prism II I got the wlan-ng drivers "working", for some value of working. I had to hack out some bits of the driver which didn't work as expected on this card, but it didn't look like they actually mattered (they just read information from the card but none of the rest of the driver code looked at any of it, so unless there's some weird side effect...) The driver will load, wlanctl will put it in "sniff" mode, and airsnort's "capture" program will read packets from it -- but they're all encrypted so I can't tell if the driver is actually sniffing packets or what headers are on them. ... and I can't seem to make it work properly when I tell it what the WEP key is for either my 40-bit or my 128-bit LAN. At the moment, I don't have an unencrypted network to fiddle with.

02-27-2002	#11 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	Bullcrappy Mandrake 7.2 and up will install the wlan drivers and alias it to ethX (or wlanX in 7.2 or below). You can see the signal and data through /proc/net/wireless(i think) I've been using this card with mandrake for over a year, no problems. 9 outta 10 times it will pick up the active channel also, if not, pull it and replug.

02-28-2002	#12 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	hmm, I may have to agree I have mdk 8.1 linux and my orinico gold works fine... it even loads the pcmcia_cs stuff and I can sniff packets, nestumble and other crap. And I always get the 2 beeps. What did I do right??? SAU <-- doesn't do non-custom installs

03-13-2002	#13 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	MDK 8.1? Installed that the other night and am trying hard to figure it all out - noob here. Iwconfig sees both cards Prism and Orinoco depending on eth0 or eth1. Network config wizard seems geared for wired networks though and was of no use. Not sure I've gotten a DHCP lease and have mainly been tinkering trying to get Kismet and other toys runing. Form what you've said about 8.1 it sounds like it can go promiscous without a recompile - yes? If so that's a relief! I'm still installing Libpcap, Ethereal, and the GPS stuff so I'm not quite "there" yet but skipping having to diff and recompile would be NICE. FWIW - I simply left the two cards in while the OS was installed. It seemed to recognize the cards with no help from me at all. Slowly getting there but for someone who's only used Linux briefly a few times it's a real PITA...

03-24-2002	#14 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	fixing the internet sharing ... I have mdk 8.2 working on my ibm tp600e and it found my cards perfectly well, as seen in dmseg, even though I'm a little confused that it detects the orinoco card 3 times....atleast the mac adress. Well, what I can see the card works perfectly well, BUT i can't get it out on the net. It's connected to my ISPs AP, atleast i should. It works fine in w2k. BUT when I take a look at the mdk control center in 8.2 and look at the connection, it says it's not connected. I try to connect and you see the send/recive info and you can se that both work fine. Then the system says "there it something wrong with your connection, check controll center" It not much I can do there. The orinoco card is eth0 and I have marked it to get the ip from the dhcp server.. the other card is 3com589 and thats suppsed to be gateway for the rest of the computers on the network. in the expert mode you give the gateway adress, I suppose that's my ISPs gateway that I should state here... Please advice me. I'm i linux newbie so try to overclear in your answer :-) I'm considering to run slackware, but I didn't have the time in friday to download those isos....

03-24-2002	#15 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	upgrading to MDK8.2 to get kismet to work w/o errors. The 2.4.18 kernel is supposed to help. This all helps my cisco WLAN-NIC out but I'm not sure about my Orinoco card as yet since I uploaded to it with the 8.10 firmware which I've read doesn't work with the shmoo patch thing.

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