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fregniacciaro · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by streaker69

Thanks, I didn't look it up, I asked my half asleep wife..

No prob. I just remember doing business with a SoCal company that had an 818 number. I had to look up Paia.

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Hmmm...

Quote:

Where to send loans to GMAC for underwriting:

Please include in your package to GMAC:

• Underwriting Submission Cover Sheet – Dated 11/12/04 (Located in Forms Section in Manual)
• Underwriting Submission Checklist
• Your original credit file

Two ways to deliver loans to GMAC for underwriting:
1) Send your original file to GMAC underwriting to:

GMAC Bank, Wholesale Mortgage Lending
100 Witmer Road, Suite 200
Horsham, PA 19044

2) Fax your file to GMAC underwriting at 215-701-0648 and e-mail appraisal to uw_appraisals@gmacm.com (include Loan # in subject line).
 Use the Underwriting Submission Cover Sheet dated 11/12/04 – Located in Forms Section in Manual
 First & second mortgages must be faxed separately. Piggy back seconds include Underwriting Cover sheet with loan #, registration sheet & the 1003. You do not need to re-send the credit file or the appraisal.
 Keep original credit package for 120 days after loan closes.

From here: http://www.go2negmac.com/attachments...Tool%20Kit.doc (page 7)
I wonder why he's using a GMAC fax number...

warken · 11-12-2005

I wonder if a Mail bomb would be too much>?

EDIT: o yea.. look my first post ..

Jason. From Florida, Warken on CoWF.

wrzwaldo · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by warken

I wonder if a Mail bomb would be too much>?

EDIT: o yea.. look my first post ..

Jason. From Florida, Warken on CoWF.

I imagine that would shine an unwanted light on the NS forums and wardriving.

Thorn · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by warken

I wonder if a Mail bomb would be too much>?

EDIT: o yea.. look my first post ..

Jason. From Florida, Warken on CoWF.

Do not do that.

streaker69 · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by fregniacciaro

No prob. I just remember doing business with a SoCal company that had an 818 number. I had to look up Paia.

<edit>
Hmmm...

From here: http://www.go2negmac.com/attachments...Tool%20Kit.doc (page 7)
I wonder why he's using a GMAC fax number...

Isn't providing false information to a domain registrar enough reason for them to pull the domain?

Thorn · 11-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by streaker69

Isn't providing false information to a domain registrar enough reason for them to pull the domain?

It may not be false information. Running a Google on "Marty Yinzer" produces some possible links to both PA and HI. Also, that phone number shows as "possibly reassigned" on at least one phone search engine.

Guys, the idea here isn't to be disruptive to their domain or the like. The idea is to get them to at least acknowledge that the "product" the are selling is an open source project that is conceived, designed, and built other people. With the one exception of mentioning a "hack" by Joshua Wright, the eBay ad never mentions the others, and that is the shameful part.

renderman · 11-13-2005

Selling the 'work' nessecary to get this thing configured and openwrt loaded, I can understand (though it's pretty low in my books), but it's not a nice thing to do, especially since I went through alot of work to make it as easy and step by step as possible.

My issues are with any modification to the software (which was/is/still is GPL), and lack of proper credit. If he was just honest about what he was doing, namely that he's using my guides and software from Joshua and I and not anything that he designed, then I'd be less irritated.

The fact that he came here and asked for assistance in getting it running in the first place, help I gave freely, and not recognising it and making it like he was the genius behind it.

Had I been approached about turning it into a product for sale, it would have been at least considered. As it sits now, I'm going to do everything I can to undercut his market.

No punitive attacks please, I just want this guy to know that his sale of these units and software as it is at present is very underhanded and I certainly won't be assiting him or any of his 'customers'. Should he change things and properly credit myself and the other developers involved, as well as alerting his customers that he's using freely available software and freely available guides and the only value he is getting is the work of loading up the WRT and making the CD's

This guy has caused me to move up the timetable on a few projects that will hopefully undercut him and make it stupidly easy for consumers to accompish the same thing. When that happens (hopefully in the next couple weeks), I'll need your assitance in making sure word gets out so his customers know that they can do it themselves for a lot less.

I also extend the offer that provided you cover shipping and the obvious cost of the WRT54G, I'll install the drone for free!

wrzwaldo · 11-13-2005

I think an easy thing to do would be to list it (your new project) on ebay with the instructions right in the description of the auction. I'd even be willing to list it at my cost.

Starpoint · 11-13-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by renderman

Selling the 'work' nessecary to get this thing configured and openwrt loaded, I can understand (though it's pretty low in my books), but it's not a nice thing to do, especially since I went through alot of work to make it as easy and step by step as possible.

My issues are with any modification to the software (which was/is/still is GPL), and lack of proper credit. If he was just honest about what he was doing, namely that he's using my guides and software from Joshua and I and not anything that he designed, then I'd be less irritated.

The fact that he came here and asked for assistance in getting it running in the first place, help I gave freely, and not recognising it and making it like he was the genius behind it.

Had I been approached about turning it into a product for sale, it would have been at least considered. As it sits now, I'm going to do everything I can to undercut his market.

No punitive attacks please, I just want this guy to know that his sale of these units and software as it is at present is very underhanded and I certainly won't be assiting him or any of his 'customers'. Should he change things and properly credit myself and the other developers involved, as well as alerting his customers that he's using freely available software and freely available guides and the only value he is getting is the work of loading up the WRT and making the CD's

This guy has caused me to move up the timetable on a few projects that will hopefully undercut him and make it stupidly easy for consumers to accompish the same thing. When that happens (hopefully in the next couple weeks), I'll need your assitance in making sure word gets out so his customers know that they can do it themselves for a lot less.

I also extend the offer that provided you cover shipping and the obvious cost of the WRT54G, I'll install the drone for free!

Undercutting their price is good or even offering up the same deal for free.
Be sure to get the legal beagles notified in case they try to sue you for doing so..

Personally, dropping the price down to about 1/3 of theirs should do it..
or... politely contact Ebay, inform them that what they are selling is hacking tool and can be used illegally... ie, get EBAY to yank his listing.

SignalSeeker · 11-13-2005

I would wonder if you could contact EBay about a licensing violation. They seem to remove threads on used equipment with Windows loaded, would they help when GPL isn't followed correctly?

Justin

renderman · 11-15-2005

Considering the software he is using is GPL and he claims to have made some modifications, where are his modifications?

Question sent to ebay seller IT_GROUP:

Quote:

As this product is based off of numerous Gnu Public License projects, where can we download your modifications as required by the GPL?

Should be interesting to see what response I get.

Since he's selling it and dumping the support in my lap:

Quote:

You have the power, flexibility, and support of the open-source Linux community, with the simplicity of plug-n-play preconfiguration and setup script.

I will be refusing to support any of his customers. If he has to come to me for help, I can't wait to see him try to support his own customers.

audit · 11-15-2005

Quote:

Wardriving CD
I didn't just download all the wireless junk I could find on the net and pack a CD like most other kits you'll find on ebay. On the CD I have set out a roadmap for you to gain the knowledge you want - you won't find an monster pile of stuff you don't know what to do with or where to get started. What you will find are FAQ's, drivers, some essential software, and a simple roadmap document that points you to the best sources on the Internet, footnoted, and in a logical progression. You can use this for a minimal "quick-start" all the way through to learning the most intricate knowledge that most people never bother (or need) to learn.

Hmm, I wonder how much of our archive he raped and burned on CD for this little project of his.

renderman · 11-15-2005

Oh, this is going to be fun to reply too.....

Quote:

Please read the gnu public license. It does not say that anyone who does anything with Linux must give their work away for free! There are many ignorant people out there that believe this, and it simply is not true. A read of the license, or even a post to a newsgroup or message board dealing with the subject will confirm that.

Specifically:

- I have made an installer for kiswin - it is completely stand-alone and of my own design. It is not based on anything other than my own work. You can download Kiswin wherever it is on the Internet and install it without my script - Google will help you with that one and figure out how to install and configure it on your own if you don't want to buy my kit with installer.
- I have installed and configured OpenWRT. You are free to download it and do it yourself. Starting Point: Google "OpenWRT"
- I pre-install and configure Kismet Drone on the boxes and add my own scripts - simply because it is under the gnu license and I have the ability to install and configure things and write scripts does not obligate me to do so for free. If you don't want to pay me to do it, download Kismet and do it yourself. Starting Point: Google "Kismet"
- I have created help files and complied links to web sources of information. Again, this is entirely my own work, and I have no obligation under the gnu public license to provide it to anyone for free. Starting Point: Google.

Simply stated: If you have any tech skills whatsoever, you can do it yourself with the information I have given you above. Or, if you are clueless and/or don't want to figure this out, you can pay me to do it for you. Just because I do tech work and sell a box based on Gnu products doesn't obligate me to do it for free.

If you disagree with me and feel that I am obligated in any way, the please feel free to have a lawyer purchase my product and evaluate the compliance with the license.

-Mark

audit · 11-15-2005

Oh fuck, after I get out of the woods tonight, have a beer or 2 with some fresh venison backstraps I think I'll e-mail this assclown.

CC me on that e-mail Render.

renderman · 11-15-2005

Might want to check the access logs from the archive and compare with the netblock of his site and see if he did pillage the archive.

11-13-2005	#22 (permalink)
renderman Drunken Stumbler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Anywhere but Utah Posts: 1,862	Selling the 'work' nessecary to get this thing configured and openwrt loaded, I can understand (though it's pretty low in my books), but it's not a nice thing to do, especially since I went through alot of work to make it as easy and step by step as possible. My issues are with any modification to the software (which was/is/still is GPL), and lack of proper credit. If he was just honest about what he was doing, namely that he's using my guides and software from Joshua and I and not anything that he designed, then I'd be less irritated. The fact that he came here and asked for assistance in getting it running in the first place, help I gave freely, and not recognising it and making it like he was the genius behind it. Had I been approached about turning it into a product for sale, it would have been at least considered. As it sits now, I'm going to do everything I can to undercut his market. No punitive attacks please, I just want this guy to know that his sale of these units and software as it is at present is very underhanded and I certainly won't be assiting him or any of his 'customers'. Should he change things and properly credit myself and the other developers involved, as well as alerting his customers that he's using freely available software and freely available guides and the only value he is getting is the work of loading up the WRT and making the CD's This guy has caused me to move up the timetable on a few projects that will hopefully undercut him and make it stupidly easy for consumers to accompish the same thing. When that happens (hopefully in the next couple weeks), I'll need your assitance in making sure word gets out so his customers know that they can do it themselves for a lot less. I also extend the offer that provided you cover shipping and the obvious cost of the WRT54G, I'll install the drone for free! __________________ Never drink anything larger than your head! Scaramental Wine Taster for the Church Of WiFi Buy our books! "I reject your reality, and substitute my own!" – Adam Savage CoWF WPA Hash Tables Last edited by renderman : 11-13-2005 at 01:37 AM.

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audit Country Boy. Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Deep in the Woods. Posts: 1,963	Oh fuck, after I get out of the woods tonight, have a beer or 2 with some fresh venison backstraps I think I'll e-mail this assclown. CC me on that e-mail Render. __________________ audit Blackberry Outage Mail List. Be the one of first people to know about RIM outages.

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renderman Drunken Stumbler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Anywhere but Utah Posts: 1,862	Might want to check the access logs from the archive and compare with the netblock of his site and see if he did pillage the archive. __________________ Never drink anything larger than your head! Scaramental Wine Taster for the Church Of WiFi Buy our books! "I reject your reality, and substitute my own!" – Adam Savage CoWF WPA Hash Tables

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11-12-2005	#17 (permalink)
warken Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5	I wonder if a Mail bomb would be too much>? EDIT: o yea.. look my first post .. Jason. From Florida, Warken on CoWF.

11-13-2005	#23 (permalink)
wrzwaldo I amuse you? Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 9,141	I think an easy thing to do would be to list it (your new project) on ebay with the instructions right in the description of the auction. I'd even be willing to list it at my cost.

11-13-2005	#25 (permalink)
SignalSeeker Badger in heat Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 414	I would wonder if you could contact EBay about a licensing violation. They seem to remove threads on used equipment with Windows loaded, would they help when GPL isn't followed correctly? Justin