NS can't detect 802.11b PDA

storm1979 · 01-06-2005

Hi, (I've searched harder than pig looking for truffles)

I've got a laptop with a Belkin 7010 11g wireless card. I'm running XP, so from what I read it should all be compatible.

NS starts up fine, detects my card, automatically configures it and starts scanning. However, it cannot detect an IPAQ PDA which has a 802.11b SD I/O card fitted.

Should NS be able to detect the device (the SD wireless card is on!)?

Also - when searching for available networks on the PDA it cannot find my laptop, surely it should be able to.

I've a feeling I'm doing something silly, but could someone please point me in the right direction?

storm1979 · 01-06-2005

There doesn't seem to be an option.

Would the PDA be able to see the Laptop whilst NS is running? Would I have to change any settings on the laptop in order to make it detectable?

Thanks for the prompt help.

storm1979 · 01-06-2005

Ok - there was a reply posted here, honestly!

Now it just looks like I'm talking to myself, which is rather sad.

Thorn · 01-06-2005

NetStumbler only detects Access Points or individual devices if they are in an Ad-Hoc network. Devices which are in Infrastructure mode (i.e. talking to and through an AP) are not seen by NS, as they will not respond Beacon Probes Requests.

wrzwaldo · 01-06-2005

Yeah, I deleted my post because you obviously have no idea what NS/MS is for. And am not ready to get into a spoon-feeding session today.

storm1979 · 01-06-2005

That would make sense.

However, the PDA isn't connected to *any* network.

G8tK33per · 01-06-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by storm1979

That would make sense.

However, the PDA isn't connected to *any* network.

It's not an access point either. Do you have any clue how/what NS is used for????

storm1979 · 01-06-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrzwaldo

Yeah, I deleted my post because you obviously have no idea what NS/MS is for. And am not ready to get into a spoon-feeding session today.

Erm, according to the documentation one of it's uses is for detecting rogue wireless devices. A feature which I'm trying to utilise.

I'm trying to understand how to use the application and get it working between two known devices prior to me trying to detect unknown devices. Makes sense don'tcha think?

Perhaps I should ask you again, during a different time of the month?

wrzwaldo · 01-06-2005

Quote:

NetStumbler only detects Access Points or individual devices if they are in an Ad-Hoc network.

Are your devices functioning as an ADHOC network?

If no see above.

If yes verify NS/MS is really working with your hardware!

I notice you joined the forums today... Have you done any searching or reading of related threads?

Here is part of the NS README

Quote:

What is NetStumbler?

NetStumbler is a tool for Windows that allows you to detect Wireless Local Area Networks (WLANs) using 802.11b, 802.11a and 802.11g. It has many uses:

* Verify that your network is set up the way you intended.
* Find locations with poor coverage in your WLAN.
* Detect other networks that may be causing interference on your network.
* Detect unauthorized "rogue" access points in your workplace.
* Help aim directional antennas for long-haul WLAN links.
* Use it recreationally for WarDriving.

Notice "rogue access points"!!!

Is either of your devices an access point?

Quote:

Erm, according to the documentation one of it's uses is for detecting rogue wireless devices.

Which documentation did you read "devices" in?

Also, there is one use not listed.

* Used by lazy noobs and criminals to start flame wars in the NS forums.

G8tK33per · 01-06-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by storm1979

Erm, according to the documentation one of it's uses is for detecting rogue wireless devices. A feature which I'm trying to utilise.

I'm trying to understand how to use the application and get it working between two known devices prior to me trying to detect unknown devices. Makes sense don'tcha think?

Perhaps I should ask you again, during a different time of the month?

I'm glad YOU think that's funny, you might want to take a step back and regroup.

storm1979 · 01-06-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrzwaldo

Are your devices functioning as an ADHOC network?

If no see above.

If yes verify NS/MS is really working with your hardware!

I notice you joined the forums today... Have you done any searching or reading of related threads?

As far as I can tell they're functioning as an ADHOC network, yes. NS appears to be working with my hardware (at least the hardware is compatible, no errors occured during startup, and it appears to be actively searching for APs.

Like I said in the very first line of my very first post - I've searched and used what I've found to no avail.

nashr · 01-06-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by storm1979

Erm, according to the documentation one of it's uses is for detecting rogue wireless devices. A feature which I'm trying to utilise.

I'm trying to understand how to use the application and get it working between two known devices prior to me trying to detect unknown devices. Makes sense don'tcha think?

Perhaps I should ask you again, during a different time of the month?

Great, more 'tards that don't know enough not to bite the hands that feed.

Look jackass... we help those that help themselves. Search for answers, read what you find, try to understand it, then ask questions. We don't babysit here.

wrzwaldo · 01-06-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by storm1979

As far as I can tell they're functioning as an ADHOC network, yes. NS appears to be working with my hardware (at least the hardware is compatible, no errors occured during startup, and it appears to be actively searching for APs.

Like I said in the very first line of my very first post - I've searched and used what I've found to no avail.

What it appears to do and what it is actually doing are two entirley different matters. Take your laptop/pda someplace where you know there is an AP and see if they detect it (provided it does not have broadcast disabled). If your gear is setup in adhoc and NS/MS are funtioning properly they will detect the devices.

P.S. I don't think you searched as hard as you THINK you did.

Also...

Quote:

Erm, according to the documentation one of it's uses is for detecting rogue wireless devices. A feature which I'm trying to utilise.

Is this in a business environment?

storm1979 · 01-06-2005

Look, I didn't come in here to start a flame war, I came in here to request assistance.

I feel that I posted a request for help in a polite manner, in the appropriate section of the forum. I'd stated that I'd tried searching for answers to no avail, and made it clear that posting a new thread was my last resort.

However I *still* get pounced on. This is the *newbie* section isn't it? What's wrong with a newbie (I hate that word) asking a newbie level question in the newbie section of the forum?

storm1979 · 01-06-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrzwaldo

What it appears to do and what it is actually doing are two entirley different matters. Take your laptop/pda someplace where you know there is an AP and see if they detect it (provided it does not have broadcast disabled). If your gear is setup in adhoc and NS/MS are funtioning properly they will detect the devices.

P.S. I don't think you searched as hard as you THINK you did.

Also...

Is this in a business environment?

Yeah, I figured that. But I used the word "appear" as I wasn't certain (I've seen no evidence of it working so far).

I'll take your advice and try using netstumbler to detect a different device.

I did search, promise. Cross my heart and hope to have my genitalia chewed by a large rodent.

I'm using it at home, it's my personal laptop and my personal PDA.

01-06-2005	#1 (permalink)
storm1979 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9	NS can't detect 802.11b PDA Hi, (I've searched harder than pig looking for truffles) I've got a laptop with a Belkin 7010 11g wireless card. I'm running XP, so from what I read it should all be compatible. NS starts up fine, detects my card, automatically configures it and starts scanning. However, it cannot detect an IPAQ PDA which has a 802.11b SD I/O card fitted. Should NS be able to detect the device (the SD wireless card is on!)? Also - when searching for available networks on the PDA it cannot find my laptop, surely it should be able to. I've a feeling I'm doing something silly, but could someone please point me in the right direction?

01-06-2005	#4 (permalink)
Thorn Did you do the math? Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Villa Straylight Posts: 10,039	NetStumbler only detects Access Points or individual devices if they are in an Ad-Hoc network. Devices which are in Infrastructure mode (i.e. talking to and through an AP) are not seen by NS, as they will not respond Beacon Probes Requests. __________________ Thorn "Lawyers should never marry lawyers. This is called inbreeding. It produces idiot children and more lawyers."

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01-06-2005	#2 (permalink)
storm1979 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9	There doesn't seem to be an option. Would the PDA be able to see the Laptop whilst NS is running? Would I have to change any settings on the laptop in order to make it detectable? Thanks for the prompt help.

01-06-2005	#3 (permalink)
storm1979 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9	Ok - there was a reply posted here, honestly! Now it just looks like I'm talking to myself, which is rather sad.

01-06-2005	#5 (permalink)
wrzwaldo I amuse you? Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 9,127	Yeah, I deleted my post because you obviously have no idea what NS/MS is for. And am not ready to get into a spoon-feeding session today.

01-06-2005	#6 (permalink)
storm1979 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9	That would make sense. However, the PDA isn't connected to any network.

01-06-2005	#14 (permalink)
storm1979 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 9	Look, I didn't come in here to start a flame war, I came in here to request assistance. I feel that I posted a request for help in a polite manner, in the appropriate section of the forum. I'd stated that I'd tried searching for answers to no avail, and made it clear that posting a new thread was my last resort. However I still get pounced on. This is the newbie section isn't it? What's wrong with a newbie (I hate that word) asking a newbie level question in the newbie section of the forum?