What mapping program ? (was: Is ppc2003 worth the iupgrade?)

beakmyn · 03-19-2005

Ok so I just got my new to me Ipaq 5450 and it's got PPC 2002. I can get PPC 2003 from HP for $29.95. Since I come from a desktop/laptop world is it worth upgrading now? Does Microsoft release OS for PDA like it does it's desktops? I.E. if I buy it now will a new version be out in 6 months?

Secondly, what do you use to rotate the screen to landscape as I understand this is not supported natively by the OS?

Barry · 03-19-2005

Hp stopped support for the 5000 series pda's, so that's the last os upgrade. I think it's worth the upgrade, but if I rember right it kills mini support. I know there are screen rotation apps out there, just can't rember what they are called.

Sooner Al · 03-19-2005

...screen orientation change program...

http://www.nyditot.com/Home.asp

beakmyn · 03-19-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry

Hp stopped support for the 5000 series pda's, so that's the last os upgrade. I think it's worth the upgrade, but if I rember right it kills mini support. I know there are screen rotation apps out there, just can't rember what they are called.

Hmm, maybe I'll be putting Linux on it then.....

Barry · 03-19-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sooner Al

...screen orientation change program...

http://www.nyditot.com/Home.asp

Yep that's it, I actually bought that about 5 years ago. Works pretty good. Hey Beakmyn, careful with the linux install, still kinda buggy. Though linux on any handheld is kinda buggy, even mine.

beakmyn · 03-19-2005

From what I've read so far there's good potential to create a brick. Since I've got my laptop running linux it'll be 6 months before I try it.

Barry · 03-19-2005

The hardest part is when you get linux running and you go "euuuu", getting pocket pc back is where all the brickage comes in. They finally have a wince rom image available to download, I never got a good backup when I did it.

beakmyn · 03-21-2005

Ok, I'll go for the PPC2003 since there are other wardriving apps out there although they can't compare to the superiority of Ministumbler.

That being said what about mapping programs? I know if I want two programs running I'll need gpsgate to share the serial port.

Given pricing structure Microsoft Streets and Trips 2005 seems to be the cheapest. Although, I already own Mappoint 2002 so technically I only need Pocket streets.

Is there a superior mapping program out there in the <$50 price range? It doesn't need to be compatible with any wardriving application (Ministumbler or otherwise).

Microsoft Streets & Trips 2005 OEM CD $9.99

beakmyn · 03-25-2005

So, PPC2003 is installed I installed the Orinoco Drivers, which took a few tries. The method is:
Insert card
Install Drivers
Wait for it to say successful
Take Ipaq off Dock
Eject Card
Insert Card

Voila

Installed Ministumbler, it works
Intalled Wififofum, it works

Installed Wifi Graph
works with the integrated wireless but not Orinoco

So far so good.

Barry · 03-25-2005

S&T 2005 works pretty good. Havn't tried anything else.

beakmyn · 04-01-2005

Sold S&T to a coworker. Pocket streets locked up on me on a 30 minute drive. Had to soft reset to get it back running.

I'm waiting for TomTom 5 to come and see what it's gonna run as far as price and options.

In the high end market it's
Pharos with Ostia
TomTom Navigator 5

In the low end
Delorme handheld 2005

Airstreamer · 04-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by beakmyn

Sold S&T to a coworker. Pocket streets locked up on me on a 30 minute drive. Had to soft reset to get it back running.

I'm waiting for TomTom 5 to come and see what it's gonna run as far as price and options.

In the high end market it's
Pharos with Ostia
TomTom Navigator 5

In the low end
Delorme handheld 2005

I put a 512mb card in my h5150 and snagged Delorme for the Pocket PC.

With a null modem and the stand-alone cable (usb/power/serial) for the IPAQ I can have a nice moving color display fed by my Etrex Legend.

The search function for stuff is kind of sucky though. It sometimes won't find a restaurant you know is right next door, and the recognize method of filling in the search fields doesn't work quite right. (Delorme couldn't make their in-house units come up with the problem, but they weren't the h5150 models.)

I don't have an expansion pack for it, so I haven't tried ministumbler.

(Got a Jornada 720 last week by dumpster diving in the surplus box o' crap from our IT dept that is headed for auction. It has a PCMCIA slot, so I hope to try mini on it.)

Our shop got 15 of the h5150s last year. They really are pretty, for a paperweight.

We had the Palmpilot stuff, and the IPAQs just plain suck in comparison. Over 2/3rds of the ones in our shop have never been taken out of the cradles after the first week.

Steve

Dutch · 04-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by beakmyn

Sold S&T to a coworker. Pocket streets locked up on me on a 30 minute drive. Had to soft reset to get it back running.

I'm waiting for TomTom 5 to come and see what it's gonna run as far as price and options.

In the high end market it's
Pharos with Ostia
TomTom Navigator 5

In the low end
Delorme handheld 2005

You know that TT5 is more a Navigation system than a Mapping system ?
TT5 features speech and Turn-by-Turn streetnumber level directions.

The only way to display waypoints in TT5, is in the form of POI (Point Of Interests) files. Don't think there is any possibility of updating POI's dynamically, i.e. no way of displaying logged AP's while using TT5 and MiniStumbler at the same time.
Other similar software to look out for is Navigon (http://www.navigon.com).

Dutch

beakmyn · 04-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch

You know that TT5 is more a Navigation system than a Mapping system ?
TT5 features speech and Turn-by-Turn streetnumber level directions.

The only way to display waypoints in TT5, is in the form of POI (Point Of Interests) files. Don't think there is any possibility of updating POI's dynamically, i.e. no way of displaying logged AP's while using TT5 and MiniStumbler at the same time.
Other similar software to look out for is Navigon (http://www.navigon.com).

Dutch

Yes, I'm going to be using it for navigating to clients. I've got a job coming up in Augusta, GA and I'm toying with the idea of flying down then renting a car and wardriving back (GA to NY). I have Mappoint on my office laptop for mapping my stumbles offline with Stumbverter. I like the the idea of turn-by-turn. Voice navigation is nice but not a requirement.

If I go with TomTom or Pharos I'll get the GPS also and then I'll wardrive with Kismet laptop and navigate with the PDA.

Yikes, Navigon is $478.00 US too pricey

beakmyn · 04-05-2005

The article is couple years old but still relevent

Quote:

The first thing anyone asks you if you have a GPS device is, what are the maps like ? How much detail do they cover ? I've heard Product ABC has the best maps ?

At Pocket GPS, we wanted to do something different than a review of each product. We thought long and hard about when we purchased our first GPS systems, what were the main questions that was holding up the purchase ? The answer was maps. A GPS product can be the best product available, but if the maps do not cover enough detail, then the product as a whole is near to useless. So we decided to include something that no other review site has ever shown. That's to compare maps between all the GPS/Mapping products we review. We've picked 8 levels of detail between the maps ranging from atlas style showing only the major roads, right down to city street map style.

Pocket GPS Ultimate Map Comparison Guide

For a 30 day trial of ostia go to:
http://pharosgps.ws/dlst.htm
For the maps and registration go to:
http://www.pharosgps.com/mobile2market

03-19-2005	#1 (permalink)
beakmyn root\.workspace\.garbage. Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,755	What mapping program ? (was: Is ppc2003 worth the iupgrade?) Ok so I just got my new to me Ipaq 5450 and it's got PPC 2002. I can get PPC 2003 from HP for $29.95. Since I come from a desktop/laptop world is it worth upgrading now? Does Microsoft release OS for PDA like it does it's desktops? I.E. if I buy it now will a new version be out in 6 months? Secondly, what do you use to rotate the screen to landscape as I understand this is not supported natively by the OS? __________________ It's not Intelligent Design, it's peer pressure. ┌──────────────────────────────┐ ╞ NS Icons Explained\|et hoc genus omne ╡ └──────────────────────────────┘ Last edited by beakmyn : 03-21-2005 at 10:34 AM.

03-19-2005	#2 (permalink)
Barry Managing the iTards. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,203	Hp stopped support for the 5000 series pda's, so that's the last os upgrade. I think it's worth the upgrade, but if I rember right it kills mini support. I know there are screen rotation apps out there, just can't rember what they are called. __________________ Penny's giving it up. She's giving it up hard. Cause she's with Captain Hammer, and these, are not the hammer...... The hammer is my penis. --- Captain Hammer, Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog.

03-19-2005	#3 (permalink)
Sooner Al Old Enough to Know Better Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Norman, Oklahoma Posts: 63	NYDITOT is one... ...screen orientation change program... http://www.nyditot.com/Home.asp __________________ "When all else fails, read the instructions..."

03-19-2005	#6 (permalink)
beakmyn root\.workspace\.garbage. Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,755	From what I've read so far there's good potential to create a brick. Since I've got my laptop running linux it'll be 6 months before I try it. __________________ It's not Intelligent Design, it's peer pressure. ┌──────────────────────────────┐ ╞ NS Icons Explained\|et hoc genus omne ╡ └──────────────────────────────┘

03-19-2005	#7 (permalink)
Barry Managing the iTards. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,203	The hardest part is when you get linux running and you go "euuuu", getting pocket pc back is where all the brickage comes in. They finally have a wince rom image available to download, I never got a good backup when I did it. __________________ Penny's giving it up. She's giving it up hard. Cause she's with Captain Hammer, and these, are not the hammer...... The hammer is my penis. --- Captain Hammer, Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog.

03-21-2005	#8 (permalink)
beakmyn root\.workspace\.garbage. Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,755	Ok, I'll go for the PPC2003 since there are other wardriving apps out there although they can't compare to the superiority of Ministumbler. That being said what about mapping programs? I know if I want two programs running I'll need gpsgate to share the serial port. Given pricing structure Microsoft Streets and Trips 2005 seems to be the cheapest. Although, I already own Mappoint 2002 so technically I only need Pocket streets. Is there a superior mapping program out there in the <$50 price range? It doesn't need to be compatible with any wardriving application (Ministumbler or otherwise). Microsoft Streets & Trips 2005 OEM CD $9.99 __________________ It's not Intelligent Design, it's peer pressure. ┌──────────────────────────────┐ ╞ NS Icons Explained\|et hoc genus omne ╡ └──────────────────────────────┘ Last edited by beakmyn : 03-21-2005 at 09:12 AM.

03-25-2005	#9 (permalink)
beakmyn root\.workspace\.garbage. Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,755	So, PPC2003 is installed I installed the Orinoco Drivers, which took a few tries. The method is: Insert card Install Drivers Wait for it to say successful Take Ipaq off Dock Eject Card Insert Card Voila Installed Ministumbler, it works Intalled Wififofum, it works Installed Wifi Graph works with the integrated wireless but not Orinoco So far so good. __________________ It's not Intelligent Design, it's peer pressure. ┌──────────────────────────────┐ ╞ NS Icons Explained\|et hoc genus omne ╡ └──────────────────────────────┘

03-25-2005	#10 (permalink)
Barry Managing the iTards. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,203	S&T 2005 works pretty good. Havn't tried anything else. __________________ Penny's giving it up. She's giving it up hard. Cause she's with Captain Hammer, and these, are not the hammer...... The hammer is my penis. --- Captain Hammer, Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog.

04-01-2005	#11 (permalink)
beakmyn root\.workspace\.garbage. Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,755	Sold S&T to a coworker. Pocket streets locked up on me on a 30 minute drive. Had to soft reset to get it back running. I'm waiting for TomTom 5 to come and see what it's gonna run as far as price and options. In the high end market it's Pharos with Ostia TomTom Navigator 5 In the low end Delorme handheld 2005 __________________ It's not Intelligent Design, it's peer pressure. ┌──────────────────────────────┐ ╞ NS Icons Explained\|et hoc genus omne ╡ └──────────────────────────────┘

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