Need Hardware/Software Advice

1slorunner · 01-08-2005

I am new to Netstumbler and need some advice. What GPS's are recommended to use with Netstumbler and what software can be used along with Netstumbler to pinpoint the AP's? I am a business owner and I would like to assist users in securing their AP's, starting in my neighborhood, but I must make certain that I am knocking on the right door before I ask to provide my services. I have a laptop w/Netstumbler loaded and it works fine. Please provide some guidance. If there are threads providing this information, please direct me to them. Thanks in advance.

The Others · 01-08-2005

A couple of points:

1: A GPS wont enable you to knock on the correct door.
2: This type of "buisness model" is extremely unpopular and often frowned upon. I doubt you will recieve much help at all with it. I find it especially amusing that someone starting their own comp. sec. company has to ask basic advice such as this. I thought security pros could read readmes and use the search button.

nashr · 01-08-2005

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Originally Posted by 1slorunner

I am new to Netstumbler and need some advice. What GPS's are recommended to use with Netstumbler and what software can be used along with Netstumbler to pinpoint the AP's? I am a business owner and I would like to assist users in securing their AP's, starting in my neighborhood, but I must make certain that I am knocking on the right door before I ask to provide my services. I have a laptop w/Netstumbler loaded and it works fine. Please provide some guidance. If there are threads providing this information, please direct me to them. Thanks in advance.

All your answers may be found here. If that isn't enough help, then you need to rethink your "business model". Based on your single post, your absolute lack of research before posting such a simple, dumb-assed question, and your feeble attempt at starting a business based on fear (Hey, I noticed your wireless network is unsecured... I can help) I'd have to say you'll be broke, starving, and living out of your car within 90 days.

Get a freakin clue... search the forums. This idea has been brought up repeatedly. IT DOESN'T WORK as a business model.

Thorn · 01-08-2005

The "security" business model comes up so often, we have a FAQ to tell you why it's a really bad idea:

Starting a new "WiFi Security" company
Starting a new "WiFi Security" company

nashr · 01-08-2005

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Originally Posted by Thorn

The "security" business model comes up so often, we have a FAQ to tell you why it's a really bad idea:

Starting a new "WiFi Security" company
Starting a new "WiFi Security" company

Thorn, you're too kind. If this guy really wants to "run his own business" he shouldn't be spoon fed. That's why I only pointed him here. I know, it's early and you haven't had your second cup of coffee yet. That must be why you're feeling so generous.

1slorunner, you should feel privileged. One of our best mods just treated you with kids gloves instead of dumping you in "the bin".

Thorn · 01-08-2005

Funny, just after I posted, I went to get my second cup o' joe. It's scary you know me that well, although most people say I'm really cranky before the second cup.

You will notice I ignored the whole GPS issue. That is covered more than enough, and can be searched.

wrzwaldo · 01-08-2005

1slorunner,

Check this out.

Pay special attention to the "Has this been posted before" spot.

1slorunner · 01-08-2005

I am sorry that I asked the question. One of the rudest forums I have ever participated in. Thanks.

wrzwaldo · 01-08-2005

Well I for one am terribly sorry that you are much to busy to use the search button. One of the rudest noobs I've ever seen! You're welcome...

The Others · 01-08-2005

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Originally Posted by 1slorunner

I am sorry that I asked the question. One of the rudest forums I have ever participated in. Thanks.

I think your language is both emotive and unfair.

After all, you hardly participated...

nashr · 01-08-2005

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Originally Posted by 1slorunner

I am sorry that I asked the question. One of the rudest forums I have ever participated in. Thanks.

We're sorry you asked the question too. Don't go away mad... learn something from your "experience" here. Don't walk in the door to a new place and expect to be spoon fed. We're not being rude, we want you to think for yourself.

Let's say it's 4 years from now, you've just graduated high school and you've started your first job. I'm guessing you'll be flipping burgers for a living, but perhaps I'm being too kind. Anyway, you walk in on your first day and ask some stupid question like "Where's the bathroom?". Everyone looks at you like the 'tard that you are, then they point down the hall at the sign that says "Restrooms".

You get pissed off, indignant and wonder why you've been treated like a fucking moron.

Look in the mirror moron!

streaker69 · 01-08-2005

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Originally Posted by nashr

We're sorry you asked the question too. Don't go away mad... learn something from your "experience" here. Don't walk in the door to a new place and expect to be spoon fed. We're not being rude, we want you to think for yourself.

That seems to be the biggest problem with newbs here. They don't want to think for themselves. Little do they know that is such a huge part of working in this field is finding the answer for yourself without guidance from someone else. I think most of regulars here probably came from the era in PC's that there wasn't anyone to ask at the time and had to figure it out for themselves.

Dutch · 01-08-2005

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Originally Posted by streaker69

That seems to be the biggest problem with newbs here. They don't want to think for themselves. Little do they know that is such a huge part of working in this field is finding the answer for yourself without guidance from someone else. I think most of regulars here probably came from the era in PC's that there wasn't anyone to ask at the time and had to figure it out for themselves.

Spot on streaker.. Nascom II with a hexpad were my first experience with computers, transgressed from there to the Speccy, Amstrad, PC, and mainframes (FORTRAN & COBOL still rules IMHO

). Those days you had to be able to read, learn, and digest information, in order to use the computer for anything else but loading a game.

Dutch

Thorn · 01-08-2005

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Originally Posted by Dutch

(FORTRAN & COBOL still rules IMHO

)

APL 360/370

streaker69 has certainly hit on part of the problem. However, I think it would be unfair and unfortunate to paint all newbies with the same broad brush. Quite a few new people come in here, do some research, ask good questions and get good answers in return. Some of them have little or no experience with PC (or anything else technical.) Others obviously have broad experience, and just need to fill in a few blanks. They all possess one thing that is usually not seen in those others who are soon dumped in the bin: a willingness to do things for themselves.

The funny thing that I see about this is that it translates across some things that otherwise might divide the people here. Despite the differences in political outlooks, countries of origin, or differences in culture, none of them expect to have answers handed to them.

streaker69 · 01-08-2005

I think most of us here are able to distinguish between the two types of users. A good question with lots of details that doesn't force us to play 20 questions to get more information normally gets answered with great detail and lots of help.

A question with no details, just asking for us for every bit of information and no apparenty groundwork from the OP may as well be binned before anyone replies. I'm not sure, but is there a FAQ/Readme on the right way to form a question? I admit I didn't read all of them, mostly because I know the right way to ask questions when I've exhausted all other resources.

01-08-2005	#1 (permalink)
1slorunner Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4	Need Hardware/Software Advice I am new to Netstumbler and need some advice. What GPS's are recommended to use with Netstumbler and what software can be used along with Netstumbler to pinpoint the AP's? I am a business owner and I would like to assist users in securing their AP's, starting in my neighborhood, but I must make certain that I am knocking on the right door before I ask to provide my services. I have a laptop w/Netstumbler loaded and it works fine. Please provide some guidance. If there are threads providing this information, please direct me to them. Thanks in advance.

01-08-2005	#2 (permalink)
The Others PeaceDriver Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dos Palabras, Mandoras Posts: 2,920	A couple of points: 1: A GPS wont enable you to knock on the correct door. 2: This type of "buisness model" is extremely unpopular and often frowned upon. I doubt you will recieve much help at all with it. I find it especially amusing that someone starting their own comp. sec. company has to ask basic advice such as this. I thought security pros could read readmes and use the search button. __________________ all good ends all ?u=273

01-08-2005	#4 (permalink)
Thorn Did you do the math? Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Villa Straylight Posts: 10,084	The "security" business model comes up so often, we have a FAQ to tell you why it's a really bad idea: Starting a new "WiFi Security" company Starting a new "WiFi Security" company __________________ Thorn "I'm The Doctor. I'm a Time Lord. I am from the planet Gallifrey in the constellation Kasterborous. I'm 903 years old and I am the man who is going to save your lives and all 6 billion people on the planet below... You got a problem with that?"

01-08-2005	#6 (permalink)
Thorn Did you do the math? Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Villa Straylight Posts: 10,084	Funny, just after I posted, I went to get my second cup o' joe. It's scary you know me that well, although most people say I'm really cranky before the second cup. You will notice I ignored the whole GPS issue. That is covered more than enough, and can be searched. __________________ Thorn "I'm The Doctor. I'm a Time Lord. I am from the planet Gallifrey in the constellation Kasterborous. I'm 903 years old and I am the man who is going to save your lives and all 6 billion people on the planet below... You got a problem with that?"

01-08-2005	#15 (permalink)
streaker69 Psychic Amish Stumbler Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginville, BlueBall, Bird In Hand, Intercourse, Paradise, PA Posts: 11,798	I think most of us here are able to distinguish between the two types of users. A good question with lots of details that doesn't force us to play 20 questions to get more information normally gets answered with great detail and lots of help. A question with no details, just asking for us for every bit of information and no apparenty groundwork from the OP may as well be binned before anyone replies. I'm not sure, but is there a FAQ/Readme on the right way to form a question? I admit I didn't read all of them, mostly because I know the right way to ask questions when I've exhausted all other resources. __________________ "One of these days, I'm going to cut you to pieces." If you're offended by this post, please feel free to report it to one of the many helpful moderators of this forum. Thank you.

01-08-2005	#7 (permalink)
wrzwaldo I amuse you? Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 9,127	1slorunner, Check this out. Pay special attention to the "Has this been posted before" spot.

01-08-2005	#8 (permalink)
1slorunner Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4	I am sorry that I asked the question. One of the rudest forums I have ever participated in. Thanks.

01-08-2005	#9 (permalink)
wrzwaldo I amuse you? Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 9,127	Well I for one am terribly sorry that you are much to busy to use the search button. One of the rudest noobs I've ever seen! You're welcome...

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