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01-01-2005
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Networking question
Not sure if this is the right forum, but it is a start. If this is not the right forum please direct me to one that could answer this. I can sniff packets on my home lan, but can you sniff packets on foreign networks, is this possible ?
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Psychic Amish Stumbler
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01-01-2005
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Just trying to figure out if you can. I have a wireless repeater upstairs (two story house) and I can sniff packets on my Netgear (downstairs) but the upstairs repeater (linksys) never shows any packets going out. Why am I monitoring my own WLan ? I have young teen kids and the internet is a bad place. I have cerberian filtering but my teen son is very clever.
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01-01-2005
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Psychic Amish Stumbler
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Legally, you cannot sniff packets outside of your lan without the express permission of the owner/admin of the lan, I believe it's a violation of the DMCA (shitty law, but oh well). Depending upon the state you live (if you're in the US), you might be in violation of the law by sniffing packets on your own LAN because you're intercepting private communication between two parties without their knowledge. It would be a violation of Wiretap laws. Although you may feel you have the right to find out what your kid is doing, anyone he communicates with on the other side also has a right to their own privacy. It would pretty much be the same as taping phone conversations without their knowledge.
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01-01-2005
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That answers my question. Honestly though as long as he is living in my house his privacy will be limited as long as he wants internet acess.
He could get me in more trouble with unrestricted internet access than i care to think of. I hate to take away his internet access totally but it may come down to that. Stern warnings do not work on him. |
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02-01-2005
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In all seriousness, if your son is not willing to conform to your Acceptable Use Policy, remove the temptation all together. Terminate your service. If you are not willing to put actions to your words, he will know he has nothing to loose. Everyone needs to know there is a price to pay for their actions. |
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02-02-2005
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just buy some good software
If you want to restrict what your son can do on the internet just buy some good software. Very good software is available for a decent price that gives you total control over what he can do. CyberSitter is a very good software that works very good, allows you to set what can be done on the internet, what hours of the day the internet is allowed, and it will email you reports every day of what websites are visted. Definently recommended.
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02-02-2005
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02-02-2005
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My recommendation is to set up an external router with appropriate blocking. This can be a pain in the ass, but the only way to keep someone from getting around your setup is to take away their access to it. Physical access trumps most security countermeasures. In other words, if you put software on his computer, his physical access to the computer will usually allow him to find ways around it. An external router with access controls that you set up is a better (but more difficult to set up and manage) method. The next problem is knowing what to block. Here's a site that maintains an excellent list that is updated frequently. If you go to the download page you will see several file formats available. For what it's worth, DON'T try the hosts file. It's too big and your workstation will crap out. Just $0.02 from the local security geek! 
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02-02-2005
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Get a router that can deny access via MAC address, and ALLOW by MAC address.
Once you have all the MAC's from your collection of PC's DENY HIS MAC. If he spoofs, well his new "spoofed" mac is not in the approved list... and unless he knows the approved macs.. he is S.O.L.
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02-03-2005
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Wireless Novice
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Better than nothing
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Those packages can be subverted, but they're a good first step. The problem with an external router is that it can also be bypassed. In my case, I had to ask a neighbor to add my kids' MAC to their deny list, since the kids computer kept "accidentally" connecting to his unfiltered connection. Putting the computer in a public place at least let them know that we were watching. As the local security geek, I'm sure you advocate defense in depth - take a series of reasonable steps, and don't expect any magic bullet to do it all for you. NetNanny, 2Wire AP with firewall & content filter, ZoneAlert, AVG, AdAware, Spybot, CWSShredder, and parental oversight are all necessary. PS - NetNanny kept also "accidentally" getting uninstalled - until I told them that the next time it happened I was rebuilding the PC from the ground up, and no games would be reinstalled. @##($&(& Microsoft Office spellchecker won't run unless the accounts are admin - another MS security hole.
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