No Tx even with a good signal

wificlueless · 11-10-2004

Hi,

I'm not sure if this is a bad question but as my flame-attracting username implies, I'm really new to wifi.

The problem is that i lived in a shared house and my landlord has installed wifi (when i scan it says Belkin 54g) but despite the fact i have a newly purchased pcmia card that is displaying 'normal' or even 'good' and 'very good' signal and link strength there is little or no Tx/Rx ratio most of the time (sometimes it is very good for about 5 minutes and then nothing for hours) and so i can't get anything from the internet.

I have fiddled around with all the settings (they are now on auto) and looked at my firewalls, i have even carried my laptop aroud the house to see if a better signal would improve matters but it didn't.

I am sorry if this is an often answered question, I have searched through the forums under Tx/Rx and come up with nothing. It could be that i just don't understand the terminology correctly. If anyone could help it would be very useful. even if it is just with a scathing essage and a link to some relevant advice. thanks.

Monitr7 · 11-10-2004

When you say "shared house", you mean you share it with your landlord? Did the landlord emplace a wifi device in order for tenants to have internet access? Is the AP running WEP?

"Fiddled" with your settings? Well, good lord, man, tell the people what you fiddled your settings to!

wificlueless · 11-10-2004

oh sorry. yes he did install wifi for us (the landlord that is) but he doesn't live with us. i think the actual transmitter is next door (he owns both sides of a semi) but he doesn't live there either. basically i harrassed him into providing an internet connection and before i harrass him into providing a better one i want to make sure it's not me with the problem.

with my settings i ticked a box that said 'Tx burst' but it made no difference, i also tried various levels for the Tx bitrate (if that's what it's called - the thing that says 5.5 Mbits, 11Mbits, etc) before i put everything back to auto so now it just finds its own settings. i don't think there's much problem with the receiving card because it is picking up signals from down the road (although i'm not using them, don't worry) so i do't know what to do.

I would install this netstumbler thing to get some idea of the connection but the connection is so bad i won't be able to. at the moment i'm using the internet from work but there is nothing but this not-working wifi at home.

oh, and the WEP is encryption or security isn't it - no there's none of that, the network is entirely open (which i will ask the landlord to secure once i get running).

The Others · 11-10-2004

When you get home, hit the windows key, click run, type "cmd", then type "Ipconfig /all" (do all of that without the quotes). See what it says and let us know.

wificlueless · 11-11-2004

Right, I did the IP config thing and it said (sorry i didn't write it down. am such an idiot) what the ip address, physical address and a couple of other numbers were. the it said that the dcp (or something that looked like this was on).

Basically I spent another two hours trying to get it going, I tried everything recomended in the help sections of windows and icluded with the wifi card - I reinstalled the driver (the carg is a Ralink card by Edimark if that means anything to anyone), I turned off both my installed firewall and the windows one, I turned off all other network hardware, I changed Tx and fragmentation settings and I found all the patches, etc. that i hadn't yet installed and installed them and still nothing. even less than before when I would get a few minutes of tranmission before it stopped again. please help. I missed an important deadline last night because I couldn't get online.

Monitr7 · 11-11-2004

What's the IP of the AP? You may need to change your TCP/IP settings to reflect the AP's IP.

Ex: AP IP = 214.215.70.2, change your IP to 214.215.70.2 and piggy-back off of the AP's IP.

Anyone see anything wrong with my thinking on this? Lemme know.

dougwheeler · 11-11-2004

Conceptually ok, but the details are off. If he matches the ip address with that of the AP then you have contention. If the AP is 214.215.70.2, then his computer must be different, such as 214.215.70.3. Because this is a multi-user network there is no way to prevent someone else from using that same address which lands you back in contention land. That’s the beauty of DHCP.

Another consideration - if you are using XP, disable the Bridge connection in Network settings. I don’t have an XP box handy to give you the exact details, but as I recall it is a right mouse click/disable/reboot. I have seen this interfere with getting proper connection via WiFi on multiple occasions.

Another question - is anybody able to connect to this AP ? That is, is it configured properly?

Doug

wificlueless · 11-11-2004

hi,

Ok, i'll try this later, thank you both for your help.

But, incidentally, isn't the ip address of my card set? i thought they were like fingerprints and therefore not changeable. and also, would i still be getting full readings for signal and link strength if the ip's were supposed to match and didn't?

Assuming i can change the ip address of my card, however, (I'm sure you're right as obviously i know very little about computers) how would i go about it?

(oh, and i'm a 'she' by the way - i got confused as to whom 'he' was for a while back there)

colemanguy · 11-11-2004

The ip address is changed able. The mac address isn't change able. Well thats not completly truth but you need to know what your doing to change a mac address as its more difficult then changing an ip address.

beakmyn · 11-11-2004

It would be helpful if you could run the ipconfig/all command again and post the results. I'm purposefully writing this step by step, it's not an insult.

C:\ipconfig/all > config.txt

This will write the output of the ipconfig command to the file config.txt. Now open this file in Notepad. It's location is c:\config.txt and copy the contents of the file and paste it in a reply here.

We'll work from there.

Thorn · 11-11-2004

Based on your questions and remarks about the IP address and "dcp (or something", it is beginning to look like this is less about the Wireless and more about Networking 101.

Your landlord should be able to give you ALL needed settings from SSID to IP addressing. If not, then the problem lies there. He is providing the service. If he can't tell you what you need, then you both need to bring someone in on site who can advise the two of you.

Quite frankly, I'm not sure that this isn't a more about social engineering the members here to give you instructions on how to break into a network than anything else. I will admit however, to being the suspicious type.

wificlueless · 11-11-2004

ok, I admit that I haven't a clue about networking and i have consequently done a quick read-through of a couple of the sites on networking 101. But two things:

1) Having read through all of the networking i'm pretty sure that my card has done most of it automatically although I will try the winipconfig to see whether my IP address is in synch.

2) I am honestly not some kind of wifi thief. And although I'm reasonably flattered that you think I'm capable of some kind of siren-like luring of your forum readers to the dark side without them even realising, the only luring I've done is to covince my landlord that it makes sense in a student town in 2004 to install some kind of internet (the house doesn't even have a phoneline so only he could get us connected) for the use of his tenants.

thanks.

dougwheeler · 11-11-2004

(oh, and i'm a 'she' by the way - i got confused as to whom 'he' was for a while back there) : my bonehead error - my apologies.

G8tK33per · 11-11-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by wificlueless

ok, I admit that I haven't a clue about networking and i have consequently done a quick read-through of a couple of the sites on networking 101. But two things:

1) Having read through all of the networking i'm pretty sure that my card has done most of it automatically although I will try the winipconfig to see whether my IP address is in synch.

2) I am honestly not some kind of wifi thief. And although I'm reasonably flattered that you think I'm capable of some kind of siren-like luring of your forum readers to the dark side without them even realising, the only luring I've done is to covince my landlord that it makes sense in a student town in 2004 to install some kind of internet (the house doesn't even have a phoneline so only he could get us connected) for the use of his tenants.

thanks.

"winipconfig"?...you still running Windows 98?

And as far as the luring thing goes, buy me a drink and my dark side is all yours.

Monitr7 · 11-11-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by G8tK33per

"winipconfig"?...you still running Windows 98?

And as far as the luring thing goes, buy me a drink and my dark side is all yours.

Ah, yer a cheap date, Mr. G8!

11-10-2004	#1 (permalink)
wificlueless Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7	No Tx even with a good signal Hi, I'm not sure if this is a bad question but as my flame-attracting username implies, I'm really new to wifi. The problem is that i lived in a shared house and my landlord has installed wifi (when i scan it says Belkin 54g) but despite the fact i have a newly purchased pcmia card that is displaying 'normal' or even 'good' and 'very good' signal and link strength there is little or no Tx/Rx ratio most of the time (sometimes it is very good for about 5 minutes and then nothing for hours) and so i can't get anything from the internet. I have fiddled around with all the settings (they are now on auto) and looked at my firewalls, i have even carried my laptop aroud the house to see if a better signal would improve matters but it didn't. I am sorry if this is an often answered question, I have searched through the forums under Tx/Rx and come up with nothing. It could be that i just don't understand the terminology correctly. If anyone could help it would be very useful. even if it is just with a scathing essage and a link to some relevant advice. thanks.

11-10-2004	#2 (permalink)
Monitr7 Not feeling funny... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Rebrandsoftware's mom's house... Posts: 1,699	When you say "shared house", you mean you share it with your landlord? Did the landlord emplace a wifi device in order for tenants to have internet access? Is the AP running WEP? "Fiddled" with your settings? Well, good lord, man, tell the people what you fiddled your settings to! __________________ WTOTD Industries - Where quality is Job #3. G8tK33per doesn't care about the tarded people! -Kanye West Last edited by Monitr7 : 11-10-2004 at 09:15 AM.

11-10-2004	#4 (permalink)
The Others PeaceDriver Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dos Palabras, Mandoras Posts: 2,920	When you get home, hit the windows key, click run, type "cmd", then type "Ipconfig /all" (do all of that without the quotes). See what it says and let us know. __________________ all good ends all ?u=273

11-11-2004	#6 (permalink)
Monitr7 Not feeling funny... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Rebrandsoftware's mom's house... Posts: 1,699	What's the IP of the AP? You may need to change your TCP/IP settings to reflect the AP's IP. Ex: AP IP = 214.215.70.2, change your IP to 214.215.70.2 and piggy-back off of the AP's IP. Anyone see anything wrong with my thinking on this? Lemme know. __________________ WTOTD Industries - Where quality is Job #3. G8tK33per doesn't care about the tarded people! -Kanye West

11-11-2004	#10 (permalink)
beakmyn root\.workspace\.garbage. Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,796	It would be helpful if you could run the ipconfig/all command again and post the results. I'm purposefully writing this step by step, it's not an insult. C:\ipconfig/all > config.txt This will write the output of the ipconfig command to the file config.txt. Now open this file in Notepad. It's location is c:\config.txt and copy the contents of the file and paste it in a reply here. We'll work from there. __________________ Daughter with arms inside shirt: "Daddy I'm not Armish" ┌──────────────────────────────┐ ╞ NS Icons Explained\|et hoc genus omne ╡ └──────────────────────────────┘

11-10-2004	#3 (permalink)
wificlueless Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7	oh sorry. yes he did install wifi for us (the landlord that is) but he doesn't live with us. i think the actual transmitter is next door (he owns both sides of a semi) but he doesn't live there either. basically i harrassed him into providing an internet connection and before i harrass him into providing a better one i want to make sure it's not me with the problem. with my settings i ticked a box that said 'Tx burst' but it made no difference, i also tried various levels for the Tx bitrate (if that's what it's called - the thing that says 5.5 Mbits, 11Mbits, etc) before i put everything back to auto so now it just finds its own settings. i don't think there's much problem with the receiving card because it is picking up signals from down the road (although i'm not using them, don't worry) so i do't know what to do. I would install this netstumbler thing to get some idea of the connection but the connection is so bad i won't be able to. at the moment i'm using the internet from work but there is nothing but this not-working wifi at home. oh, and the WEP is encryption or security isn't it - no there's none of that, the network is entirely open (which i will ask the landlord to secure once i get running).

11-11-2004	#5 (permalink)
wificlueless Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7	Right, I did the IP config thing and it said (sorry i didn't write it down. am such an idiot) what the ip address, physical address and a couple of other numbers were. the it said that the dcp (or something that looked like this was on). Basically I spent another two hours trying to get it going, I tried everything recomended in the help sections of windows and icluded with the wifi card - I reinstalled the driver (the carg is a Ralink card by Edimark if that means anything to anyone), I turned off both my installed firewall and the windows one, I turned off all other network hardware, I changed Tx and fragmentation settings and I found all the patches, etc. that i hadn't yet installed and installed them and still nothing. even less than before when I would get a few minutes of tranmission before it stopped again. please help. I missed an important deadline last night because I couldn't get online.

11-11-2004	#7 (permalink)
dougwheeler Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Appleton, WI Posts: 17	Conceptually ok, but the details are off. If he matches the ip address with that of the AP then you have contention. If the AP is 214.215.70.2, then his computer must be different, such as 214.215.70.3. Because this is a multi-user network there is no way to prevent someone else from using that same address which lands you back in contention land. That’s the beauty of DHCP. Another consideration - if you are using XP, disable the Bridge connection in Network settings. I don’t have an XP box handy to give you the exact details, but as I recall it is a right mouse click/disable/reboot. I have seen this interfere with getting proper connection via WiFi on multiple occasions. Another question - is anybody able to connect to this AP ? That is, is it configured properly? Doug

11-11-2004	#8 (permalink)
wificlueless Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7	hi, Ok, i'll try this later, thank you both for your help. But, incidentally, isn't the ip address of my card set? i thought they were like fingerprints and therefore not changeable. and also, would i still be getting full readings for signal and link strength if the ip's were supposed to match and didn't? Assuming i can change the ip address of my card, however, (I'm sure you're right as obviously i know very little about computers) how would i go about it? (oh, and i'm a 'she' by the way - i got confused as to whom 'he' was for a while back there)

11-11-2004	#9 (permalink)
colemanguy Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4	The ip address is changed able. The mac address isn't change able. Well thats not completly truth but you need to know what your doing to change a mac address as its more difficult then changing an ip address.

11-11-2004	#11 (permalink)
Thorn Did you do the math? Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Villa Straylight Posts: 10,084	Based on your questions and remarks about the IP address and "dcp (or something", it is beginning to look like this is less about the Wireless and more about Networking 101. Your landlord should be able to give you ALL needed settings from SSID to IP addressing. If not, then the problem lies there. He is providing the service. If he can't tell you what you need, then you both need to bring someone in on site who can advise the two of you. Quite frankly, I'm not sure that this isn't a more about social engineering the members here to give you instructions on how to break into a network than anything else. I will admit however, to being the suspicious type. __________________ Thorn "I'm The Doctor. I'm a Time Lord. I am from the planet Gallifrey in the constellation Kasterborous. I'm 903 years old and I am the man who is going to save your lives and all 6 billion people on the planet below... You got a problem with that?"

11-11-2004	#12 (permalink)
wificlueless Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7	ok, I admit that I haven't a clue about networking and i have consequently done a quick read-through of a couple of the sites on networking 101. But two things: 1) Having read through all of the networking i'm pretty sure that my card has done most of it automatically although I will try the winipconfig to see whether my IP address is in synch. 2) I am honestly not some kind of wifi thief. And although I'm reasonably flattered that you think I'm capable of some kind of siren-like luring of your forum readers to the dark side without them even realising, the only luring I've done is to covince my landlord that it makes sense in a student town in 2004 to install some kind of internet (the house doesn't even have a phoneline so only he could get us connected) for the use of his tenants. thanks.

11-11-2004	#13 (permalink)
dougwheeler Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Appleton, WI Posts: 17	(oh, and i'm a 'she' by the way - i got confused as to whom 'he' was for a while back there) : my bonehead error - my apologies.

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