Pimp the Barn, with WiFi-bling (Split from : Help with 1 mile network setup!) - Page 6

streaker69 · 03-16-2006

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Originally Posted by itsnotme

Sorry, just a little commentary on my part, every time I see somebody use " "'s the way you use them, it usually means that what you're saying is not 100% true. Just looks like you're trying to backpedal a bit. Please don't head into the Tard bin for theft of service, your thread's been nicely informative so far.

While I do agree with you that normally that's what double quotes are used for, I don't think that's quite what he means in this case. It's not uncommon for family farms to have multiple residences all under one 'corporate' name. The Amish do it around here all the time. It's just easier for paperwork that way.

Dutch · 03-16-2006

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Originally Posted by streaker69

While I do agree with you that normally that's what double quotes are used for, I don't think that's quite what he means in this case. It's not uncommon for family farms to have multiple residences all under one 'corporate' name. The Amish do it around here all the time. It's just easier for paperwork that way.

Paperwork is wicked... So sayeth the Pastor...

Dutch

itsnotme · 03-16-2006

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Originally Posted by streaker69

While I do agree with you that normally that's what double quotes are used for, I don't think that's quite what he means in this case. It's not uncommon for family farms to have multiple residences all under one 'corporate' name. The Amish do it around here all the time. It's just easier for paperwork that way.

True, but being the devils advocate, she could be getting a residental connection billed to "the business" and sharing it would still be a violation since it'd be shared to a different property even though it's still owned by the same "business"?

Or am I wrong?

itsnotme · 03-16-2006

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Originally Posted by Dutch

Paperwork is wicked... So sayeth the Pastor...

Dutch

The only wicked paperwork I know of is my medical bills and the tax paperwork.

streaker69 · 03-16-2006

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Originally Posted by itsnotme

True, but being the devils advocate, she could be getting a residental connection billed to "the business" and sharing it would still be a violation since it'd be shared to a different property even though it's still owned by the same "business"?

Or am I wrong?

Where do the boundries lie in their definitions? I'm piping my connection to my detached garage, techically not my residence, but on the same property. Am I in compliance with the TOS?

From what I understood in his situation, all the buildings are on the same property, and deeded under one owner. Or I could be wrong.

Sleeping Dog · 03-16-2006

Just think of the proposed connections as "all being on the same property" which, technically and legally, they would be. (...and we're not even Amish.)

Sleeping Dog · 03-16-2006

Sorry about the "quotation marks" itsnotme.

I tend to use them for emphasis or to make it more readably clear when I am using an expression to save words.

Example: I might say that our Postman in "the hood" doesn't come around until after 3:00 PM.

Besides, what good would it do me to lie in a thread where I am asking for assistance with a real-world installation? That would be somewhat self-defeating.... don't you agree?

The business arrangement among the family members works well for a number of reasons. We love and trust each other, for one. It also, by being well structured, reduces inheiretance taxes and uncomplicates issues that could arise from probating a will. Though purchased originally as seperate properties, all of the land adjoins and is considered one holding. In that very rural area, there are few if any covenants that either restrict or prohibit such.

Cheers.

itsnotme · 03-16-2006

It's not a problem, it was just a bit weird seeing that, at least for me. I see where you're coming from, I kind of like the idea of the family having that much land together. Seems like a nice way to keep families together.

You did bring up an interesting question about what the TOS says about distribution of service across land though. I'm actually looking at my TOS to see what it says about that, just out of sheer curiosity.

SignalSeeker · 03-16-2006

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Originally Posted by Sleeping Dog

Besides, I would rather talk her through a "fix" on the phone than have to drive 75 miles each way to deal with something minor.

Post #58

Huh?

Justin

itsnotme · 03-17-2006

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Originally Posted by SignalSeeker

Post #58

Huh?

Justin

Nice catch, I didn't notice that.

Dutch · 03-17-2006

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Originally Posted by SignalSeeker

Post #58

Huh?

Justin

Re-read #72.
Paragraph 2, last sentence.

Dutch

Dutch · 03-17-2006

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Originally Posted by itsnotme

Nice catch, I didn't notice that.

And you didn't catch #72 either.

Some of us unfortunates do have more than 1 home, with all the hasle that involves in duplicating furniture, paying double property taxes etc...

Dutch

Sleeping Dog · 03-17-2006

Don't remind me about the property tax thing. Taxes on the rural property are not too bad, but this place in the city... I think that one of my friends put it well when she said, "I used to think that I owned this house outright. Now I realize that I just rent it from the city."

And as for your comment, Dutch... It's not that bad having the second place. It can be easily furnished with the extras of things that we tend to accumilate as we get oder through inheiretance, etc. You guys should be proud of me. Almost all of the reconstruction and remodeling that I am doing is with materials that I have salvaged and stored over the last 20 years. Fortunately, I have a barn and two out-buildings that are presently crammed with lumber, plywood, electrical hardware, plumbing fixtures, etc. I'm only retaining half of the existing house, so last season I sawed the house in half (literally) and raised the part that will stay up four feet and put new foundation block under it. That portion has a nice, concrete floored basement under it, but the ceiling height was only about 6 feet. Now it is 10 feet, which gives me plenty of room to put in a drop ceiling down there and still have room to hide the new plumbing and HVAC ductwork. The new footings for the rest of the house are dug and have the steel in them, but weather, time and $ have prevented me from pouring them this winter. I am leaving the part of the house that will eventually get "nuked" in place until I have that area of the framing built for the subfloor and that initial HVAC, plumbing and electrical run. I have designed carefully and yes, there are places where I will have to cut holes in the old walls for new floor joists to go through. But by doing this, I will have that old roof over my head while the initial work is being done. Then I'll take that part of the house apart and salvage its materials too. It's just a matter of "rearranging the sticks" as one might say.

I did the design work in AutoCAD (in 3D) and now the time savings from doing that is really paying off.

But enough about the house...

My next question is if anyone has experience in what type of signal loss happens over 1/4 mile when there is a torrential downpour of rain?

Thorn · 03-17-2006

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Originally Posted by Sleeping Dog

Don't remind me about the property tax thing. Taxes on the rural property are not too bad, but this place in the city... I think that one of my friends put it well when she said, "I used to think that I owned this house outright. Now I realize that I just rent it from the city."

And as for your comment, Dutch... It's not that bad having the second place. It can be easily furnished with the extras of things that we tend to accumilate as we get oder through inheiretance, etc. You guys should be proud of me. Almost all of the reconstruction and remodeling that I am doing is with materials that I have salvaged and stored over the last 20 years. Fortunately, I have a barn and two out-buildings that are presently crammed with lumber, plywood, electrical hardware, plumbing fixtures, etc. I'm only retaining half of the existing house, so last season I sawed the house in half (literally) and raised the part that will stay up four feet and put new foundation block under it. That portion has a nice, concrete floored basement under it, but the ceiling height was only about 6 feet. Now it is 10 feet, which gives me plenty of room to put in a drop ceiling down there and still have room to hide the new plumbing and HVAC ductwork. The new footings for the rest of the house are dug and have the steel in them, but weather, time and $ have prevented me from pouring them this winter. I am leaving the part of the house that will eventually get "nuked" in place until I have that area of the framing built for the subfloor and that initial HVAC, plumbing and electrical run. I have designed carefully and yes, there are places where I will have to cut holes in the old walls for new floor joists to go through. But by doing this, I will have that old roof over my head while the initial work is being done. Then I'll take that part of the house apart and salvage its materials too. It's just a matter of "rearranging the sticks" as one might say.

I did the design work in AutoCAD (in 3D) and now the time savings from doing that is really paying off.

But enough about the house...

Run Cat 5 while you still have the chance!

You'll thank me later.

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Originally Posted by Sleeping Dog

My next question is if anyone has experience in what type of signal loss happens over 1/4 mile when there is a torrential downpour of rain?

Suprisingly, very little.

Sleeping Dog · 03-17-2006

One step ahead of you, Thorn.

I'm running CAT-6 (1000 BaseT rated)
1505 coax for cable TV (rated for digital signal)
12 Volt DC auxillary power
Sprinkler system throughout house and barn (reduces insurance costs too!)

I would consider fiber-optic too, but it will probably be 20+ years before it ever reaches that area.

One of my other friends owns a company that installs small business phone systems. A lot of their jobs are "wire pulling gigs" for networks. He has been giving me the leftovers from the jobs where they have pulled CAT-6. I now have enough to do the house.

PS Another friend recommended that I use only the high-end RJ-45's with the real gold plated contacts for terminating the CAT-6 if I ever really want to get the best out of 1000 BaseT. May sound like overkill, but how many of us had 100 BaseT networks in our homes ten years ago, and what will we be needing ten years from now?

03-16-2006	#81 (permalink)
Sleeping Dog Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 76	Just think of the proposed connections as "all being on the same property" which, technically and legally, they would be. (...and we're not even Amish.) __________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________ Thinking "Outside Of The Bachs" can also keep you from going totally Baroque. __________________________________________________ ___________________ Sleeping Dog

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Sleeping Dog Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 76	Sorry about the "quotation marks" itsnotme. I tend to use them for emphasis or to make it more readably clear when I am using an expression to save words. Example: I might say that our Postman in "the hood" doesn't come around until after 3:00 PM. Besides, what good would it do me to lie in a thread where I am asking for assistance with a real-world installation? That would be somewhat self-defeating.... don't you agree? The business arrangement among the family members works well for a number of reasons. We love and trust each other, for one. It also, by being well structured, reduces inheiretance taxes and uncomplicates issues that could arise from probating a will. Though purchased originally as seperate properties, all of the land adjoins and is considered one holding. In that very rural area, there are few if any covenants that either restrict or prohibit such. Cheers. __________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________ Thinking "Outside Of The Bachs" can also keep you from going totally Baroque. __________________________________________________ ___________________ Sleeping Dog

03-17-2006	#88 (permalink)
Sleeping Dog Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 76	Don't remind me about the property tax thing. Taxes on the rural property are not too bad, but this place in the city... I think that one of my friends put it well when she said, "I used to think that I owned this house outright. Now I realize that I just rent it from the city." And as for your comment, Dutch... It's not that bad having the second place. It can be easily furnished with the extras of things that we tend to accumilate as we get oder through inheiretance, etc. You guys should be proud of me. Almost all of the reconstruction and remodeling that I am doing is with materials that I have salvaged and stored over the last 20 years. Fortunately, I have a barn and two out-buildings that are presently crammed with lumber, plywood, electrical hardware, plumbing fixtures, etc. I'm only retaining half of the existing house, so last season I sawed the house in half (literally) and raised the part that will stay up four feet and put new foundation block under it. That portion has a nice, concrete floored basement under it, but the ceiling height was only about 6 feet. Now it is 10 feet, which gives me plenty of room to put in a drop ceiling down there and still have room to hide the new plumbing and HVAC ductwork. The new footings for the rest of the house are dug and have the steel in them, but weather, time and $ have prevented me from pouring them this winter. I am leaving the part of the house that will eventually get "nuked" in place until I have that area of the framing built for the subfloor and that initial HVAC, plumbing and electrical run. I have designed carefully and yes, there are places where I will have to cut holes in the old walls for new floor joists to go through. But by doing this, I will have that old roof over my head while the initial work is being done. Then I'll take that part of the house apart and salvage its materials too. It's just a matter of "rearranging the sticks" as one might say. I did the design work in AutoCAD (in 3D) and now the time savings from doing that is really paying off. But enough about the house... My next question is if anyone has experience in what type of signal loss happens over 1/4 mile when there is a torrential downpour of rain? __________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________ Thinking "Outside Of The Bachs" can also keep you from going totally Baroque. __________________________________________________ ___________________ Sleeping Dog

03-17-2006	#90 (permalink)
Sleeping Dog Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 76	One step ahead of you, Thorn. I'm running CAT-6 (1000 BaseT rated) 1505 coax for cable TV (rated for digital signal) 12 Volt DC auxillary power Sprinkler system throughout house and barn (reduces insurance costs too!) I would consider fiber-optic too, but it will probably be 20+ years before it ever reaches that area. One of my other friends owns a company that installs small business phone systems. A lot of their jobs are "wire pulling gigs" for networks. He has been giving me the leftovers from the jobs where they have pulled CAT-6. I now have enough to do the house. PS Another friend recommended that I use only the high-end RJ-45's with the real gold plated contacts for terminating the CAT-6 if I ever really want to get the best out of 1000 BaseT. May sound like overkill, but how many of us had 100 BaseT networks in our homes ten years ago, and what will we be needing ten years from now? __________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________ Thinking "Outside Of The Bachs" can also keep you from going totally Baroque. __________________________________________________ ___________________ Sleeping Dog

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03-16-2006	#83 (permalink)
itsnotme Dumbass checker Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Somewhere below Lake Ontario Posts: 1,076	It's not a problem, it was just a bit weird seeing that, at least for me. I see where you're coming from, I kind of like the idea of the family having that much land together. Seems like a nice way to keep families together. You did bring up an interesting question about what the TOS says about distribution of service across land though. I'm actually looking at my TOS to see what it says about that, just out of sheer curiosity.