Recommended a/b/g card?

06-17-2005

All,

I see many, many threads about which cards work, which report SNR and/or noise successfully, etc. stretching back years and many NetStumbler versions.

Can anyone currently recommend an a/b/g PCBUS card that's known to work + report SNR accurately + report noise levels accurately with v0.4.0?

Just had a bad experience with a Cisco CB21 and don't want to repeat the mistake...

Thanks!

wrzwaldo · 06-17-2005

There are NONE!

I repeat, NONE!

dave43 · 06-17-2005

I understand it's not external but the intel 2915 centrino works.

wrzwaldo · 06-17-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave43

I understand it's not external but the intel 2915 centrino works.

I would bet a load of money that noise is not properly reported...

And without proper noise reporting --- will mean dick... (Fill in the blank)

06-17-2005

OK... Let me rephrase:

What a/b/g card would you purchase to get the best noise data out of NetStumbler?

wrzwaldo · 06-17-2005

Do you want usefull data or just some random BS?

If you want/need usefull data then see post #2.

06-17-2005

Let's try this one more time...

When using Netstumbler as a site survey audit / verification tool, an important measurement is noise. Like, "how much interference are we experiencing in the lunch room while the mircowave oven is running?"

That analysis does not require a great deal of accuracy in the noise measurements. The relative change in background noise (microwave off vs. microwave on) compared to signal strength is what's of interest.

Are you saying that there are no a/b/g cards that report noise accurately enough to fill this role -OR- that there are no a/b/g cards capable of reporting noise period?

wrzwaldo · 06-17-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by willeyk

Let's try this one more time...

When using Netstumbler as a site survey audit / verification tool, an important measurement is noise. Like, "how much interference are we experiencing in the lunch room while the mircowave oven is running?"

That analysis does not require a great deal of accuracy in the noise measurements. The relative change in background noise (microwave off vs. microwave on) compared to signal strength is what's of interest.

Are you saying that there are no a/b/g cards that report noise accurately enough to fill this role -OR- that there are no a/b/g cards capable of reporting noise period?

I would consider the lack of an accurate card to be NONE. Don't know how many different was I can say it.

In your first post you said

Quote:

Can anyone currently recommend an a/b/g PCBUS card that's known to work + report SNR accurately + report noise levels accurately with v0.4.0?

I followed up with post #2. Post #2 still stands.

Dutch · 06-17-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by willeyk

Let's try this one more time...

When using Netstumbler as a site survey audit / verification tool, an important measurement is noise. Like, "how much interference are we experiencing in the lunch room while the mircowave oven is running?"

That analysis does not require a great deal of accuracy in the noise measurements. The relative change in background noise (microwave off vs. microwave on) compared to signal strength is what's of interest.

Are you saying that there are no a/b/g cards that report noise accurately enough to fill this role -OR- that there are no a/b/g cards capable of reporting noise period?

As stated often enough, and as written in the documentation :

Fully supported cards: Hermes I based cards. Win9x, Win2K, and Win XP. native support, and the only card guaranteed to report power and noise correctly.

Partially supported cards : Atheros and Prism based cards. Win XP only. Native support, with some omissions such as correct signal and noise reporting.

Unsupported cards, which MIGHT work : Win XP only. Any other card, used via the NDIS 5.1 api. These depends on how well the vendor has implemented NDIS 5.1 compliance in their drivers.

So there you have it, whether you like it or not.

Dutch

06-17-2005

Great info.

Someone must have recently purchased a Hermes-based card who can provide a make and model.

Dutch · 06-17-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by willeyk

Great info.

Someone must have recently purchased a Hermes-based card who can provide a make and model.

SEARCH.. Or do you want us to spoonfeed and ass-wipe you as well ?

Dutch

wrzwaldo · 06-17-2005

There is one other way for me to put it.

!ENON era erehT

So what exactly does this mean? It means you are screwed with 802.11A. However an 802.11B card will give you the goods on B & G (enter the Orinoco Classic Gold 8410-WD).

Thorn · 06-17-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by willeyk

Let's try this one more time...

When using Netstumbler as a site survey audit / verification tool, an important measurement is noise. Like, "how much interference are we experiencing in the lunch room while the mircowave oven is running?"

That analysis does not require a great deal of accuracy in the noise measurements. The relative change in background noise (microwave off vs. microwave on) compared to signal strength is what's of interest.

Are you saying that there are no a/b/g cards that report noise accurately enough to fill this role -OR- that there are no a/b/g cards capable of reporting noise period?

With few exception most card report noise at a fixed -100dB, which is utterly useless for surveys, even on just a relative change. Get an ORiNOCO Classic Gold card. It will report accurately on B and G networks.

06-17-2005

Very professional. It's a simple question. If you don't want to answer it, ignore it.

06-17-2005

Thank you, Thorn.

06-17-2005	#1 (permalink)
willeyk Posts: n/a	Recommended a/b/g card? All, I see many, many threads about which cards work, which report SNR and/or noise successfully, etc. stretching back years and many NetStumbler versions. Can anyone currently recommend an a/b/g PCBUS card that's known to work + report SNR accurately + report noise levels accurately with v0.4.0? Just had a bad experience with a Cisco CB21 and don't want to repeat the mistake... Thanks!

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06-17-2005	#2 (permalink)
wrzwaldo I amuse you? Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 9,127	There are NONE! I repeat, NONE!

06-17-2005	#3 (permalink)
dave43 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 46	I understand it's not external but the intel 2915 centrino works.

06-17-2005	#5 (permalink)
willeyk Posts: n/a	OK... Let me rephrase: What a/b/g card would you purchase to get the best noise data out of NetStumbler?

06-17-2005	#6 (permalink)
wrzwaldo I amuse you? Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 9,127	Do you want usefull data or just some random BS? If you want/need usefull data then see post #2.

06-17-2005	#7 (permalink)
willeyk Posts: n/a	Let's try this one more time... When using Netstumbler as a site survey audit / verification tool, an important measurement is noise. Like, "how much interference are we experiencing in the lunch room while the mircowave oven is running?" That analysis does not require a great deal of accuracy in the noise measurements. The relative change in background noise (microwave off vs. microwave on) compared to signal strength is what's of interest. Are you saying that there are no a/b/g cards that report noise accurately enough to fill this role -OR- that there are no a/b/g cards capable of reporting noise period?

06-17-2005	#10 (permalink)
willeyk Posts: n/a	Great info. Someone must have recently purchased a Hermes-based card who can provide a make and model.

06-17-2005	#12 (permalink)
wrzwaldo I amuse you? Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 9,127	There is one other way for me to put it. !ENON era erehT So what exactly does this mean? It means you are screwed with 802.11A. However an 802.11B card will give you the goods on B & G (enter the Orinoco Classic Gold 8410-WD).

06-17-2005	#14 (permalink)
willeyk Posts: n/a	Very professional. It's a simple question. If you don't want to answer it, ignore it.

06-17-2005	#15 (permalink)
willeyk Posts: n/a	Thank you, Thorn.