Wifi Magic not so easy

Quake3DeathGod · 10-12-2004

Ok this is what I am trying to do, called linksys, and was told it was a head scratcher, and they will call me back, so far, no call back! Here goes:
I need to know if this will work:
cable modem to wlan side of the BEFW11S4, my wired network to the router lan side of the same BEFW11S4, turn OFF the radio for the Wifi so it will work ONLY as an access point and router. Go from the lan side of the BEFW11S4(BEFW11S4 is DHCP) to the WAP54G#1 via network cable (WAP54G#1 will be sitting on top of the BEFW11S4), with wifi radio on in the WAP54G #1, to transmit my wifi connection, connect to another WAP54G #2 via wifi, set up to repeat, and to another WAP54G #3 set up to repeat so forth and so on... until I reach the last WAP54G #4 set to bridge another wired network to mine. Or change the wired network to wireless and just make it part of mine same network. I hope you can understand what I am trying to do, and it will work.
Thank you,
Kelly

wrzwaldo · 10-12-2004

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Originally Posted by Quake3DeathGod

Ok this is what I am trying to do, called linksys, and was told it was a head scratcher, and they will call me back, so far, no call back! Here goes:
I need to know if this will work:
cable modem to wlan side of the BEFW11S4, my wired network to the router lan side of the same BEFW11S4, turn OFF the radio for the Wifi so it will work ONLY as an access point and router. Go from the lan side of the BEFW11S4(BEFW11S4 is DHCP) to the WAP54G#1 via network cable (WAP54G#1 will be sitting on top of the BEFW11S4), with wifi radio on in the WAP54G #1, to transmit my wifi connection, connect to another WAP54G #2 via wifi, set up to repeat, and to another WAP54G #3 set up to repeat so forth and so on... until I reach the last WAP54G #4 set to bridge another wired network to mine. Or change the wired network to wireless and just make it part of mine same network. I hope you can understand what I am trying to do, and it will work.
Thank you,
Kelly

First off if you turn off the radio on the BEFW it will only function as a router.

"Several vendors offer wireless routing systems that extend outdoor 802.11 coverage. Available systems range from less expensive consumer-grade access point bridging products that can extend wireless coverage by only one access point per repeater, to more expensive carrier-class wireless repeating systems that can extend outdoor coverage by multiple hops."

Can it be done with the WAP54? Probably not.

Thorn · 10-12-2004

It looks like you may have too many hops in there, but I'm not sure from your description. Could you post a diagram?

Madhadder · 10-12-2004

Listen to Thorn..... His Wifi-Fu his strong

Quake3DeathGod · 10-12-2004

Hope this helps you help me! The wired network on the last end can be made wireless with no problem, would save me a router too. And yes, I want the BEFW11S4 to work only as a router because the WEP54 can not repeat it. So I am using it to get to the first wep54. Anyway, look at this crude diagram I did, and let me know what you think.

Quake3DeathGod · 10-12-2004

the reason for so many wep54's is I have about 3000 feet to cover, and trees to go around, since I cant go through.

Thorn · 10-12-2004

Doubtful. You're probably going to end up with some nasty collisions.

RHenningsgard · 10-12-2004

If I were trying to heat up the area you're describing, I sure wouldn't start with $50 access points. Personally, I'm sticking with the SignalMax WR1500's from Parker Vision http://www.parkervision.com until I find something better. They cost 4X as much, but they're waaaay worth it.

No joke, I used a single Parker Vision wireless router to replace three WRT54G's in a big two-story bar and grill, and the coverage from the Parker Vision is probably 6X that of the toy access points.

I can't believe that I just "outted" my best secret weapon here on NetStumbler, but those guys at PV deserve all of the business they're going to get.

Rob---

Quake3DeathGod · 10-12-2004

Ok, would the parkers be made as repeaters and or can external antenna be put on them? I need something to cover my 2 story house, and cover the 3000 feet to dad-n-law's house. As for network collisions, wouldnt be so bad for him, he only surfs the web, no heavey downloading or gaming....

Thorn · 10-12-2004

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Originally Posted by Quake3DeathGod

Ok, would the parkers be made as repeaters and or can external antenna be put on them? I need something to cover my 2 story house, and cover the 3000 feet to dad-n-law's house. As for network collisions, wouldnt be so bad for him, he only surfs the web, no heavey downloading or gaming....

The collisions would be between the wireless segments. It would be very ugly, to the point where it could freeze up everything. Considering all you're looking to spend in time and equipment, it would be a lot easier to just get a DSL line or cable and an AP at each location and be done with it.

RHenningsgard · 10-12-2004

I am not sure if one AP would act as a repeater of the other. I am certain that one of them, up high, would cover your entire house and much of the surrounding property. So if I had to know about the repeater thing, I'd ask their tech support people.

One tip: When doing multi-story buildings, I've had great results by using one of those plastic-coated wire shelves, mounted as high up in the building as possible. Cover the top of the shelf with tin foil, and set the access point atop the shelf, with the antenna(e) poking down through the tinfoil and the shelf. The shelf and tinfoil act as a reflector (or ground plane, if you prefer), directing more of the signal earthwards. (Unless you're trying to create a hotspot for people in low-flying Cessnas, this makes intuitive sense to me).

As for the antenna, no, the model of ParkerVision I've used does not have (or seem to need) removable antenna(e).

I'd be interested to hear what the PV folks say about one AP acting as a repeater for the other's signal.

wrzwaldo · 10-12-2004

Or string out a pair of fibers if you have a route.

I would be interested to see how the PV's handle foliage (dry, rain soaked, snow covered...).

RHenningsgard · 10-12-2004

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Originally Posted by Thorn

The collisions would be between the wireless segments. It would be very ugly, to the point where it could freeze up everything. Considering all you're looking to spend in time and equipment, it would be a lot easier to just get a DSL line or cable and an AP at each location and be done with it.

My enthusiasm for the ParkerVisions notwithstanding, I completely agree with Thorn.

Quake3DeathGod · 10-12-2004

Here is the thing, cable and dsl are out, the only option is wifi. DSL does not come out here, cable stopped at my house, and they refuse to go to the other houses up the street. They say it is to far from where they stopped to the next location for service. SO, it is across a road, and a wide open field once I clear the trees in my yard to the other house. Aprox. 3000 feet. I was thinking I could do some linking of wap54's and get the job done. But at the range of the parkers model router, two of them would work. But I'd be back to the same drawing.
I'd have to go cable box, bwef11s4 in router mode only, then parkers router, with one parkers in repeater mode. That is why I was asking if you can set one to repeater mode. I have to cut aparox a 90 degree angle to get past trees. They are to thick to broast through, and a tower higher than them would have to much line loss going up the tower. I have thought of lots of ways, but none are cost effective. Most any suggestions would be great. Thanks again
Kelly

wrzwaldo · 10-12-2004

Get a couple of bridges that support POE. Put a tower at your end and put one of the bridges up the tower. Assemble the other end as needed. A couple of directional antennas and your good to go. If you wanted to save a few bucks you could do it with a couple cookie-cantennas. I have 2 and they work pretty good for the price.

10-12-2004	#1 (permalink)
Quake3DeathGod Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5	Wifi Magic not so easy Ok this is what I am trying to do, called linksys, and was told it was a head scratcher, and they will call me back, so far, no call back! Here goes: I need to know if this will work: cable modem to wlan side of the BEFW11S4, my wired network to the router lan side of the same BEFW11S4, turn OFF the radio for the Wifi so it will work ONLY as an access point and router. Go from the lan side of the BEFW11S4(BEFW11S4 is DHCP) to the WAP54G#1 via network cable (WAP54G#1 will be sitting on top of the BEFW11S4), with wifi radio on in the WAP54G #1, to transmit my wifi connection, connect to another WAP54G #2 via wifi, set up to repeat, and to another WAP54G #3 set up to repeat so forth and so on... until I reach the last WAP54G #4 set to bridge another wired network to mine. Or change the wired network to wireless and just make it part of mine same network. I hope you can understand what I am trying to do, and it will work. Thank you, Kelly

10-12-2004	#3 (permalink)
Thorn Did you do the math? Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Villa Straylight Posts: 10,084	It looks like you may have too many hops in there, but I'm not sure from your description. Could you post a diagram? __________________ Thorn "I'm The Doctor. I'm a Time Lord. I am from the planet Gallifrey in the constellation Kasterborous. I'm 903 years old and I am the man who is going to save your lives and all 6 billion people on the planet below... You got a problem with that?"

10-12-2004	#4 (permalink)
Madhadder General "Noob Basher" Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 1,620	Listen to Thorn..... His Wifi-Fu his strong __________________ Legends may sleep, but they never die!!!!

10-12-2004	#7 (permalink)
Thorn Did you do the math? Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Villa Straylight Posts: 10,084	Doubtful. You're probably going to end up with some nasty collisions. __________________ Thorn "I'm The Doctor. I'm a Time Lord. I am from the planet Gallifrey in the constellation Kasterborous. I'm 903 years old and I am the man who is going to save your lives and all 6 billion people on the planet below... You got a problem with that?"

10-12-2004	#8 (permalink)
RHenningsgard Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3	I don't pimp for these guys, but... If I were trying to heat up the area you're describing, I sure wouldn't start with $50 access points. Personally, I'm sticking with the SignalMax WR1500's from Parker Vision http://www.parkervision.com until I find something better. They cost 4X as much, but they're waaaay worth it. No joke, I used a single Parker Vision wireless router to replace three WRT54G's in a big two-story bar and grill, and the coverage from the Parker Vision is probably 6X that of the toy access points. I can't believe that I just "outted" my best secret weapon here on NetStumbler, but those guys at PV deserve all of the business they're going to get. Rob---

10-12-2004	#6 (permalink)
Quake3DeathGod Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5	the reason for so many wep54's is I have about 3000 feet to cover, and trees to go around, since I cant go through.

10-12-2004	#9 (permalink)
Quake3DeathGod Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5	Ok, would the parkers be made as repeaters and or can external antenna be put on them? I need something to cover my 2 story house, and cover the 3000 feet to dad-n-law's house. As for network collisions, wouldnt be so bad for him, he only surfs the web, no heavey downloading or gaming....

10-12-2004	#11 (permalink)
RHenningsgard Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 3	Not certain, so I'd ask their tech support I am not sure if one AP would act as a repeater of the other. I am certain that one of them, up high, would cover your entire house and much of the surrounding property. So if I had to know about the repeater thing, I'd ask their tech support people. One tip: When doing multi-story buildings, I've had great results by using one of those plastic-coated wire shelves, mounted as high up in the building as possible. Cover the top of the shelf with tin foil, and set the access point atop the shelf, with the antenna(e) poking down through the tinfoil and the shelf. The shelf and tinfoil act as a reflector (or ground plane, if you prefer), directing more of the signal earthwards. (Unless you're trying to create a hotspot for people in low-flying Cessnas, this makes intuitive sense to me). As for the antenna, no, the model of ParkerVision I've used does not have (or seem to need) removable antenna(e). I'd be interested to hear what the PV folks say about one AP acting as a repeater for the other's signal.

10-12-2004	#12 (permalink)
wrzwaldo I amuse you? Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 9,127	Or string out a pair of fibers if you have a route. I would be interested to see how the PV's handle foliage (dry, rain soaked, snow covered...). Last edited by wrzwaldo : 10-12-2004 at 12:50 PM.

10-12-2004	#14 (permalink)
Quake3DeathGod Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5	Here is the thing, cable and dsl are out, the only option is wifi. DSL does not come out here, cable stopped at my house, and they refuse to go to the other houses up the street. They say it is to far from where they stopped to the next location for service. SO, it is across a road, and a wide open field once I clear the trees in my yard to the other house. Aprox. 3000 feet. I was thinking I could do some linking of wap54's and get the job done. But at the range of the parkers model router, two of them would work. But I'd be back to the same drawing. I'd have to go cable box, bwef11s4 in router mode only, then parkers router, with one parkers in repeater mode. That is why I was asking if you can set one to repeater mode. I have to cut aparox a 90 degree angle to get past trees. They are to thick to broast through, and a tower higher than them would have to much line loss going up the tower. I have thought of lots of ways, but none are cost effective. Most any suggestions would be great. Thanks again Kelly

10-12-2004	#15 (permalink)
wrzwaldo I amuse you? Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 9,127	Get a couple of bridges that support POE. Put a tower at your end and put one of the bridges up the tower. Assemble the other end as needed. A couple of directional antennas and your good to go. If you wanted to save a few bucks you could do it with a couple cookie-cantennas. I have 2 and they work pretty good for the price.

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