Bluetooth GPS on its way! - Page 3

bargle · 08-29-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by leftleg

Well, controlling your tv and using your coffe maker using bt is nice. It should be encrypted. You really think there are going to be hords of bt hackers trying to access your phone and coffe maker?? I don't. I find tons of access points and never do anything to them. I'm sure alot of other people are them same way, even hackers. I sure you have nothing of value(along with me) stored in your phone. If you do have important info in your phone you are stupid. What if you lost the phone? No one would have to sniff your bt packets then.

Still I think it is pointless. I am also not worried about people accessing my 802 network either. There are ways to keep the novice from accessing my 802. All that leaves is the more experienced hacker, which will most likely not be intrested in my network or yours. A business would be a different story, or government.

Nor do I, but it has happened... But crap like that dose happen.. How so? Its too early and Im on my way out the door.... But the Logitech RF keyboards come to mind.... My point in I don't want someone controlling my TV from a distance, or coffie maker.... Or even my printer.... Infact I think BT travels too far.... I can print from my BT iPAQ from the other side of the house. It has 2 walls and is about 220 feet... I have to crank up the signal to High on my iPAQ I admit.... if someone broke in and wasting my ink and paper, I wanna be ablle to kick their butt... Same goes with a phone, I don't want some joker on BART (subway) messing with my phone if I can't see them..... if cables wen't so damageing and anoying id definaly stick with it with some devices... 30 Feet? I might be able to spot the punk...

Grey Wolf · 08-29-2002

I haven't had a problem with bluetooth range, it seems to go far enough for me. My problem is it's speed. It's slow, at least in my iPAQ.

There is no information in my phone I'm worried about someone getting. But I really don't want some joker using my phone to surf the net for an hour or two either.

I've been a long time user of X-10, and I've never had a problem with it. It's security is a real joke. bluetooth TV, DVD, drapes, and what not? Would that mean each time a new TV comes out, I need a new iPAQ? I don't see anyone coming out with any new "profiles" for the iPAQ or anything else. And right now trying to connect two Bluetooth devices seems to be on the order of setting the timer on a VCR.

To my mind, a Bluetooth GPS would be great, but it needs to be able to bind with more than one device at a time, or it needs to be able to connect with my device on more than one port at a time! So far all I see is a GPS device that cuts the wired link between my GPS and iPAQ but that's it. Perhaps that is a start, but for the price I want more.

The few programs that I know are picky about NMEA, it hasn't been tested with. And from the descriptions I have heard about it, I am left with more questions than answers. Like the gps is sending info, (I think) at 8 times faster than the bluetooth link is. So just how does the bluetooth link handel that? Does it buffer and only send 1 out of every 8 packets? Or does it just randomly send out 1 of every 8 bits of data? just what is happening?

If I was writing a review, I think I would connect it to hyperterminal and say a Garmin unit (that seems to be the standard), with wass and go for a ride. Are the two at 4800 putting out the same info, or not. That is what I want to know. What happens when the connection speed gets boosted, are we getting more info, or are we just getting the same data repeated?
From what I have read after 38400, we will either get no more info, or we will start to get repeated info. I don't see any point in connecting faster than 38400, the speed of the GPS unit.

I'd also like to know if the firmware can be updated, and if so, what firmware, the GPS? or the Bluetooth?

Grey

yellow1 · 09-01-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by bargle

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.as...=30701&loc=101

Under 100$ USD..... But I can't find jack, and no one knows anything about it, it seems..... Also no one has it yet

I love the fact the BT GPS has a sleep function.... It fasinates me.... Any how....

They've added (?) a product number and a google search pulls up a few references but no stock available yet ! What a mysterious product !
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=Google+Search

yellow1 · 09-26-2002

Still no news on the Ambicom BT front...

Anyway, here's an update on the Bluetooth GPS and ministumbler. For a start I've updated my review .

I'd tried mini-stumbler with my "grey" version and it didn't work alhtough I didn't really pursue it at the time. I just tried it again with the "black" version and it works! Setups must have been different though, here's my current one:

iPaq 3670
Dual CF Sleeve
Socketcom BT CF

One thing to check for of course is that you're in NMEA mode at 4,800bps.

Maybe I'll start stumbling again now that it's really wireless. Of course if I hook up the magmount it will no longer be the case...

TheSovereign · 09-26-2002

doesnt bluetooth also operate in the 2.4 gig area?
wouldnt that screw with the wifi?

dataworm · 09-26-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by leftleg

Well, controlling your tv and using your coffe maker using bt is nice. It should be encrypted. You really think there are going to be hords of bt hackers trying to access your phone and coffe maker?? I don't. I find tons of access points and never do anything to them. I'm sure alot of other people are them same way, even hackers. I sure you have nothing of value(along with me) stored in your phone. If you do have important info in your phone you are stupid. What if you lost the phone? No one would have to sniff your bt packets then.

Still I think it is pointless. I am also not worried about people accessing my 802 network either. There are ways to keep the novice from accessing my 802. All that leaves is the more experienced hacker, which will most likely not be intrested in my network or yours. A business would be a different story, or government.

Yup but using your phone could be very usefull... Free hard to trace phone call

...

yellow1 · 09-26-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSovereign
doesnt bluetooth also operate in the 2.4 gig area?
wouldnt that screw with the wifi?

You're right, I think BT has some kind of "interference avoidance" built-in though.

Anyway, I fired up MiniStumbler again for the first time in months and found to be much more convenient with the BT GPS...I didn't hook up the magmount antenna to the Lucent card though.

Chris_Schear · 09-26-2002

iPaq 3970 w/integrated BlueTooth. A very handy technology, to say the least. I enjoy it much.

08-29-2002	#32 (permalink)
Grey Wolf Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 345	I haven't had a problem with bluetooth range, it seems to go far enough for me. My problem is it's speed. It's slow, at least in my iPAQ. There is no information in my phone I'm worried about someone getting. But I really don't want some joker using my phone to surf the net for an hour or two either. I've been a long time user of X-10, and I've never had a problem with it. It's security is a real joke. bluetooth TV, DVD, drapes, and what not? Would that mean each time a new TV comes out, I need a new iPAQ? I don't see anyone coming out with any new "profiles" for the iPAQ or anything else. And right now trying to connect two Bluetooth devices seems to be on the order of setting the timer on a VCR. To my mind, a Bluetooth GPS would be great, but it needs to be able to bind with more than one device at a time, or it needs to be able to connect with my device on more than one port at a time! So far all I see is a GPS device that cuts the wired link between my GPS and iPAQ but that's it. Perhaps that is a start, but for the price I want more. The few programs that I know are picky about NMEA, it hasn't been tested with. And from the descriptions I have heard about it, I am left with more questions than answers. Like the gps is sending info, (I think) at 8 times faster than the bluetooth link is. So just how does the bluetooth link handel that? Does it buffer and only send 1 out of every 8 packets? Or does it just randomly send out 1 of every 8 bits of data? just what is happening? If I was writing a review, I think I would connect it to hyperterminal and say a Garmin unit (that seems to be the standard), with wass and go for a ride. Are the two at 4800 putting out the same info, or not. That is what I want to know. What happens when the connection speed gets boosted, are we getting more info, or are we just getting the same data repeated? From what I have read after 38400, we will either get no more info, or we will start to get repeated info. I don't see any point in connecting faster than 38400, the speed of the GPS unit. I'd also like to know if the firmware can be updated, and if so, what firmware, the GPS? or the Bluetooth? Grey __________________ ~the packets are out there~ waiting....

09-26-2002	#35 (permalink)
TheSovereign Master of the universe Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 658	doesnt bluetooth also operate in the 2.4 gig area? wouldnt that screw with the wifi? __________________ SO SAYS TheSovereign

09-26-2002	#38 (permalink)
Chris_Schear Packetmonkey Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: WDM, Iowa Posts: 243	iPaq 3970 w/integrated BlueTooth. A very handy technology, to say the least. I enjoy it much. __________________ Regards... http://packetmonkey.net

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09-26-2002	#34 (permalink)
yellow1 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 63	Still no news on the Ambicom BT front... Anyway, here's an update on the Bluetooth GPS and ministumbler. For a start I've updated my review . I'd tried mini-stumbler with my "grey" version and it didn't work alhtough I didn't really pursue it at the time. I just tried it again with the "black" version and it works! Setups must have been different though, here's my current one: iPaq 3670 Dual CF Sleeve Socketcom BT CF One thing to check for of course is that you're in NMEA mode at 4,800bps. Maybe I'll start stumbling again now that it's really wireless. Of course if I hook up the magmount it will no longer be the case...