Is Kismet worth running on your ipaq

unclex · 04-15-2002

Is Kismet worth running on your ipaq

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm something to think about if you are already running it on your laptop…

It depends on what you do with your ipaq on a regular basis, if you use it to put dates in your diary and all the rest of the stuff you get with Pocket CE…

Over the weekend, I put Linux on the ipaq, big time back up…… DANGER this has to be done if you do not want a brick.

Kismet went on too….

If you are going to use this bit of kit just for this, then that is fine.

If you want it for other things – then forget it…

I will be going back to CE after I have done a few tests.

Kaber · 04-15-2002

I had Familiar 5.0 on my iPAQ for a little over a week. I decided that until I had a better understanding of how to config my windows manager and the general interface... I would stick with PPC2K.

Now that I have a desktop install of Debian, I am fiddling around a bit more. I think I'll give it another go on the iPAQ soon. I'd really like to work on a wireless network auditing distribution. I mean we're dealing with a bunch of specialized software on a small platform. I wish I could just go to handhelds.org and download the Familiar 5.01 (Wardriving) distro.

If anyone else who owns an iPAQ is interested in working on this, let me know.

jerryshenk · 04-15-2002

So, how do you go about swapping OSs on an IPAQ. I mainly use my IPAQ for stumbling-type stuff although it is a rather nice little toy.

I have a 3685 - only 32 megs of RAM, is that enough?

Samson · 04-15-2002

- have a look at www.handhelds.org, you should find all your answers there.

/S.

jerryshenk · 04-15-2002

I've looked at handhelds.org a number of times and it sure seems like it has a lot of answers but I'm not sure if I need to blow by IPAQ away, ok, I'm pretty sure that I do but then I need to load some kind of a boot loader. At that point, it's better if you can boot from a flash card in a PCMCIA slot but I don't have one and it seems like I can pull the image from a USB cable. It's like everything else in the computer field...it makes perfect sense once you've done it once or twice and understand what the documentation is talking about

Kaber · 04-16-2002

This is how it worked for me...

YOU MUST HAVE A SERIAL CABLE TO LOAD LINUX ON AN IPAQ!

I have an iPAQ 3765 with Pocket PC 2002 with all service packs and patches and used an Armada 1700 with W2K Pro all service packs and critical upgrades. I backed up my iPAQ. I did a hard reset which wiped all my data from the iPAQ and restored the factory out-of-box settings. I backed this up also for good measure. Then I installed the bootloader following the instructions here http://www.handhelds.org/feeds/bootldr/install.html . They look quite confusing, but if you skip everything and go straight to the part that says Installation: it makes things a lot clearer.

Once you've done this (loaded the bootldr) you can still use Pocket PC. After my system rebooted I reinstalled my backup and my iPAQ worked exactly the same.

When you boot to the bootldr screen (by holding the reset button and the action pad button at the same time) it is like a hard reset for the OS. It wipes your data like a hard reset. So don't go to the boot menu unless you have a current backup of your Pocket PC. Soft resets of Pocket PC will not do this, only booting to the bootldr screen does this.

YOU MUST HAVE A SERIAL CABLE TO LOAD LINUX ON AN IPAQ!

Once you have that accomplished you can load linux here http://familiar.handhelds.org/famili...0/install.html and if you don't like it, restore PocketPC here http://www.handhelds.org/projects/wi...html#gz_method .

With the bootldr installed you can switch back and forth between OSs if you want. Mind you though, transfers over the serial cable can take quite a while. Nothing to bad though. Were only talking 15Mb-30Mb transfers anyway.

And if you happen to fuck up, they really will fix it for you if you send it to them.

unclex · 04-16-2002

It is a lot of work, but hey

I think that I will stick to the laptop with Linux and the IPAQ to CE

dual boot IPAQ

where is the bootloader for this?

Oh yes - I had a 2GB Tosh PCMCIA drive but it would not mount for the full blown version...

oh well

jerryshenk · 04-16-2002

Thanks a lot, Kaber. That really does clear things up. I think I'll go re-read those instructions again. Having Kismet on my Ipaq would be very handy!!

I said that I had a 3685...that was wrong, not sure if that even exists. I have a 3650 but it does only have 32 megs of RAM. Do you know if that's gonna be enough?

Kaber · 04-16-2002

Yes, it is enough. I agree with unclex though. I am going to dual boot my laptop W2K/Linux, and concentrate on my eVB skills so I can make my own apps on the iPAQ.

In the mean time though, this was posted on http://www.handhelds.org

Quote:

3/4/2002 Tangent and Jamey achieved true dual boot on an iPAQ today! The iPAQ was an H3600 with PocketPC installed in flash, and a zImage, initrd, and rootfs on a microdrive. Using bootldr 2.18.12, boot ide booted Linux from the microdrive. Suspend/resume worked with Linux. Removed microdrive and reset to boot PocketPC. Suspend/resume again worked with PocketPC.

jerryshenk · 04-16-2002

Say, one more question - how long is "a long time" to swap OSs?

I don't really think I'll do it very often. Right now, my main apps on the CE ministumbler a spreadsheet that shows the time required to crack password of various lengths (quite usefull for stunning people

and an eval of CESNIFF that I don't use much. Basically, I really don't use it that much at all and everything can be replaced with Linux apps.

unclex · 04-17-2002

A day to get your head around it and to get all the kit you need to do it..

day an a half with me

could not get it to dual boot - if that was the case I would leave it on

jerryshenk · 04-17-2002

What I was meaning was how long does it take to swap OSs once you've gotten things all set up.

Kaber · 04-17-2002

20 minutes more or less... half hour tops

jerryshenk · 04-17-2002

Cool! I think I'm gonna do that. My IPAQ is not critical to my life right now.

Gotta get me a serial cable.

Eitel · 04-17-2002

I already got the bootloader on it. Just need to find a serial cable, wich I'm plaining on buying tomorrow.

04-15-2002	#1 (permalink)
unclex ER - working on Oil Drums Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: MARS Posts: 127	Is Kismet worth running on your ipaq Is Kismet worth running on your ipaq Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm something to think about if you are already running it on your laptop… It depends on what you do with your ipaq on a regular basis, if you use it to put dates in your diary and all the rest of the stuff you get with Pocket CE… Over the weekend, I put Linux on the ipaq, big time back up…… DANGER this has to be done if you do not want a brick. Kismet went on too…. If you are going to use this bit of kit just for this, then that is fine. If you want it for other things – then forget it… I will be going back to CE after I have done a few tests. __________________ Have Fun. http://www.ackers.org.uk http://forums.netstumbler.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=14030#post14030

04-15-2002	#2 (permalink)
Kaber West Side WarDriver Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 193	I had Familiar 5.0 on my iPAQ for a little over a week. I decided that until I had a better understanding of how to config my windows manager and the general interface... I would stick with PPC2K. Now that I have a desktop install of Debian, I am fiddling around a bit more. I think I'll give it another go on the iPAQ soon. I'd really like to work on a wireless network auditing distribution. I mean we're dealing with a bunch of specialized software on a small platform. I wish I could just go to handhelds.org and download the Familiar 5.01 (Wardriving) distro. If anyone else who owns an iPAQ is interested in working on this, let me know. __________________ --"Its my job, to freeze you."

04-16-2002	#6 (permalink)
Kaber West Side WarDriver Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 193	This is how it worked for me... YOU MUST HAVE A SERIAL CABLE TO LOAD LINUX ON AN IPAQ! I have an iPAQ 3765 with Pocket PC 2002 with all service packs and patches and used an Armada 1700 with W2K Pro all service packs and critical upgrades. I backed up my iPAQ. I did a hard reset which wiped all my data from the iPAQ and restored the factory out-of-box settings. I backed this up also for good measure. Then I installed the bootloader following the instructions here http://www.handhelds.org/feeds/bootldr/install.html . They look quite confusing, but if you skip everything and go straight to the part that says Installation: it makes things a lot clearer. Once you've done this (loaded the bootldr) you can still use Pocket PC. After my system rebooted I reinstalled my backup and my iPAQ worked exactly the same. When you boot to the bootldr screen (by holding the reset button and the action pad button at the same time) it is like a hard reset for the OS. It wipes your data like a hard reset. So don't go to the boot menu unless you have a current backup of your Pocket PC. Soft resets of Pocket PC will not do this, only booting to the bootldr screen does this. YOU MUST HAVE A SERIAL CABLE TO LOAD LINUX ON AN IPAQ! Once you have that accomplished you can load linux here http://familiar.handhelds.org/famili...0/install.html and if you don't like it, restore PocketPC here http://www.handhelds.org/projects/wi...html#gz_method . With the bootldr installed you can switch back and forth between OSs if you want. Mind you though, transfers over the serial cable can take quite a while. Nothing to bad though. Were only talking 15Mb-30Mb transfers anyway. And if you happen to fuck up, they really will fix it for you if you send it to them. __________________ --"Its my job, to freeze you."

04-16-2002	#7 (permalink)
unclex ER - working on Oil Drums Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: MARS Posts: 127	It is a lot of work, but hey I think that I will stick to the laptop with Linux and the IPAQ to CE dual boot IPAQ where is the bootloader for this? Oh yes - I had a 2GB Tosh PCMCIA drive but it would not mount for the full blown version... oh well __________________ Have Fun. http://www.ackers.org.uk http://forums.netstumbler.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=14030#post14030

04-17-2002	#11 (permalink)
unclex ER - working on Oil Drums Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: MARS Posts: 127	A day to get your head around it and to get all the kit you need to do it.. day an a half with me could not get it to dual boot - if that was the case I would leave it on __________________ Have Fun. http://www.ackers.org.uk http://forums.netstumbler.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=14030#post14030

04-15-2002	#3 (permalink)
jerryshenk Stumbler Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 29	So, how do you go about swapping OSs on an IPAQ. I mainly use my IPAQ for stumbling-type stuff although it is a rather nice little toy. I have a 3685 - only 32 megs of RAM, is that enough?

04-15-2002	#4 (permalink)
Samson Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 12	- have a look at www.handhelds.org, you should find all your answers there. /S.

04-15-2002	#5 (permalink)
jerryshenk Stumbler Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 29	I've looked at handhelds.org a number of times and it sure seems like it has a lot of answers but I'm not sure if I need to blow by IPAQ away, ok, I'm pretty sure that I do but then I need to load some kind of a boot loader. At that point, it's better if you can boot from a flash card in a PCMCIA slot but I don't have one and it seems like I can pull the image from a USB cable. It's like everything else in the computer field...it makes perfect sense once you've done it once or twice and understand what the documentation is talking about

04-16-2002	#8 (permalink)
jerryshenk Stumbler Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 29	Thanks a lot, Kaber. That really does clear things up. I think I'll go re-read those instructions again. Having Kismet on my Ipaq would be very handy!! I said that I had a 3685...that was wrong, not sure if that even exists. I have a 3650 but it does only have 32 megs of RAM. Do you know if that's gonna be enough?

04-16-2002	#10 (permalink)
jerryshenk Stumbler Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 29	Say, one more question - how long is "a long time" to swap OSs? I don't really think I'll do it very often. Right now, my main apps on the CE ministumbler a spreadsheet that shows the time required to crack password of various lengths (quite usefull for stunning people and an eval of CESNIFF that I don't use much. Basically, I really don't use it that much at all and everything can be replaced with Linux apps.

04-17-2002	#12 (permalink)
jerryshenk Stumbler Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 29	What I was meaning was how long does it take to swap OSs once you've gotten things all set up.

04-17-2002	#13 (permalink)
Kaber West Side WarDriver Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: SoCal Posts: 193	20 minutes more or less... half hour tops __________________ --"Its my job, to freeze you."

04-17-2002	#14 (permalink)
jerryshenk Stumbler Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 29	Cool! I think I'm gonna do that. My IPAQ is not critical to my life right now. Gotta get me a serial cable.

04-17-2002	#15 (permalink)
Eitel Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ypsilanti, MI Posts: 52	I already got the bootloader on it. Just need to find a serial cable, wich I'm plaining on buying tomorrow.

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