[USR]Lange

Hi

Okey i ve read that there is currently no support for those cards, but id like to know why. What are the specific reasons not to support them? Did the deny givin you any technical information? or did they try to force you prior signing a NDA?

Whatever, id like to know. In case you need technical information e.g. about the "socketcom wlan cf" then just tell me WHAT you need to know for support.

regards

Simon
PS: ill try hard to collect those information you need for supporting the socketcom wlan cf.

[USR]Lange

if so please answer. if you dont WANT to support prism (which is stupid because most cf cards are based on it) then tell us and we wont wait any longer for such a version or a reply to help you developing.

So please (wit sugar on the top) tell us your needs for prism support.

regards

Simon

Thorn

Hey, slow down there, Junior. Some of that have been here a while might take offense to such an attitude. Especially by someone who has a whole 4 posts on this board. Coming across as a newbie, demanding that people supply YOU with information is not a good way to introduce yourself to the board. Demanding the information, and then implying that there is a lack of intelligence here because no one responded quickly enough to satisfy you, is just rude.

There is just one author, Marius. The NetStumbler program is his. If you are offering to help, or if you have some information regarding the Prism support, I suggest you read the FAQ thread first. It has most of the infomation you need.

Personally, I don't think calling anyone here "stupid", or saying that the lack of a feature which you feel is a requirement is "stupid", is a good way to start. There are others out there who feel that Prism support is desired. But there are many who are quite happy that just using the Hermes-based cards.

The fact of the matter is that Marius has stated quite plainly - several times - the problems with Prism support. You might want to read through prior posts before posting rude remarks. The search function is also available, to aid you in this endeavor.

Also, before you start in with the next question: Maruis has stated that this is NOT an Open Source project. He may make it that in the future, but not for now.

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[USR]Lange

sorry but i cant respect you because all i read by you in the past few days defines you not worth.

learn reading i asked what information "YOU" need... go back to school!

the only rude person here is you so leave me alone this all "you-pissed-on-me" statements are not productive in any way.

so answer to my question or leave me alone.

btw the quoted intelligent life on this planet was no offense but a note to the fact that noone answered my question. so i had to ask again.....

btw your post was as usefull as a piece of s... if you have any serious answer which i could respect come along - otherwide just avoid this thread - YOUR POST IS OFFTOPIC

Simon

Thorn

Cool it, kid. There isn't anything on this board to get that worked up about - assuming you're serious, and not just pulllng my leg.

People here are willing to help, but you do have to play nice.

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[USR]Lange

so did you! i am serious and if you carefully read my opening post, you would see. if not, well.....

so im still waitin for an answer. btw: what faq any faq i did find did not touch my subject.

regards

Simon

Mother

C'mon guys - cool it down - [USR]Lange, it is true that you've only joined recently, and there are some common courtesy "procedures" (to call it something) when joining a board on a subject that you may not have knowledge in.

Basically, you join, you listen (well, read) for a reasonable time, which may vary depending on how long it takes you to grasp things, you get information from other sources (I would recommend Google) and THEN you begin asking good questions - not questions that have been answered time and time again.

So, I will point out the search function that this forum has, where you can get answers to MOST of the questions you can ask (if you don't believe me, try it).

Looking around, you will see that Prism is not supported by NetStumbler or MiniStumbler, and if you searched a bit further, you'll see that Intersil (makers of said chipset) charge hideously large sums for technical information developers can use, licensing fees, etc.

While it is true that all current CF cards are Prism based, it doesn't mean that it's stupid NOT to add support for them - remember, MiniStumbler is FREE, it is made by Marius in his spare time, and he releases new versions when he is ready - I must say that I much rather see less frequent updates, but with no bugs, than weekly updates with bugs, crashes, etc.

So, if you so desperately need CF support, install Linux on an iPAQ, and run Kismet.

Take it easy, play nice, don't be rude, respect more seasoned members, and if you ask a question and it's not answered, now you know why - if you try to find out why it wasn't answered, you risk replies like the one you got.

All the best,

Mother

g0tr00t

Thanks mom.

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[USR]Lange

@"mother":
you havent read my post right?!
i asked WHAT information you need. this thread were never meant to be larger then 3 posts but the misunderstanding and the nonexistant knowledge of some posters here made this a huge thread.

you dont have to tell ne how to search. fact: nowhere (not even in your faq) was written WHY prism cards are not supported. besides this is not as important as the information WHAT YOU or marius need. have you ever thought about it that i might be able to supply information for prism support?! what other motivation should i have to OFFER support for PRISMSUPPORT-development. maybe use your brain and read carefully my post instead talkin shit. the only usefull part of your post was that you "answered" my "reasonwhy"-question. well and as you cann i have guessed right. guessed some kind of contract / nda did made this prism-support impossible. well, NOW there is sumone who IS ABLE to support and WILLING to support so be more gentle and just answer my questions.


btw kismet is a pure passive sniffer while netstumbler is active. so fool yourself. also linux on ipaq ist (as i write in another thread) still pretty experimental so i wont use linux on my holy ipaq and losing warranty, capability for bt and MM and also i need sum of the nice ppc features as well. but most important: THIS is not the subject of MY thread.

Simon
PS: it IS stupid not to support prism if you have the possibiity to get help from the community but you block it!
PSS: quantity of posts is not a guarantee for quality-posts as this thread shows. alot of posters with more than me but did not even touch the subject of this thread.

McHale

I can't believe I'm going to even try but here goes:

PRISM cards aren't supported mainly because nobody has the SDK's for them. If you can get the SDK's, you'd be a hero.

As far as Symbol/Socket's CF card, Marius has the SDK of that but hasn't gotten it to work yet. Time has been a factor as this is merely a hobby of his.

Good news though:

Orinoco cards work. Use those until something else gets supported.

-Mc

[USR]Lange

well not a hero . just a guy with "connections" try to get them asap. is sdk everything he need? thought he might need documentation about the hardware. the sdk does touch the driver of the used card or do we talk about the sdk of the chipset itself? well i try to catch those information for "us".

becaus hes doin it ALONE. maybe he should think about placin this all under GPL and CVS so we can share our thoughts, experience and success without working "against" eachother.

well, but they do not exist as cf card. if so - well gimme a brand and modell and i try to buy it. pccards are not usefull for pda users. (the pccard itself is nearly as big as the pda!)

Simon

acidrayne

Just dropping a line onto this thread because I found it to be humorous!

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Mother

Quick short answers:

Yes I have. Your question is straightforward, and searching around a bit, you would have answered it by yourself. Support for Prism under NetStumbler or MiniStumbler requires information found on the SDK. I suggest you search for 'prism SDK'.

Er...there is no need to - this is NOT meant to be a piece of software where you get a nice manual, a long FAQ, you have to do a little digging around and find things out on your own.

If Prism cards are not supported, believe me, there are good reasons for it. Do you think Marius hates Intersil or something?

I have no idea about what your motivations are. But if you were looking to offer support, then you should have worded your post as such, not a question. I.E. "I may have access to restricted, proprietary information that Intersil only releases for huge amounts of cash and NDAs, about the Prism chipset and how to talk to it, are you interested, Marius?".

Wording your post as a question, it falls into the bag where most of the 58 threads found when searching for 'Prism support' go.

Besides, Marius already stated that Prism support would be added at some stage - it's just that he doesn't charge for his work, so we all have to be patient.

Hmmm...no comment.

Did I ever said the contrary? Why was I fooling myself? Of course Kismet is passive (if you don't count the spurious RF emitted by the oscillator, which *could* be picked up, but that's another story, and needs to be told on a different occasion).

I don't think a few thousand iPAQs with Linux in them are an experiment anymore. True, there are driver issues, power issues, software issues, but that's like with ANY Linux installation...

Regarding the warranty, let me point you out to:

http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/20...000061903.html

which is Compaq's press release about Linux on the iPAQ. Also, Compaq will restore your dead iPAQ to a working condition if you mess it up loading Linux - they are that nice

Nobody has blocked anything - if you had been a) more patient, b) less rude, and c) straightforward, you would have received positive answers. We are not here to hunt newbies or newcomers, but barging in pretending to know it all, and trying to give lessons about what is stupid or not, is not the best way to make friends - take into account that you are judging what others do in their own time and for FREE, so you have NO right to decide what should or shouldn't be supported.

If you want to read a long thread on the open source comments, I would recommend

http://forums.netstumbler.com/showth...ght=opensource

which will show you that the subject is well trodden.

So, thanks for your offerings on the SDK, forward those to Marius - if it is true you can get them, they would be a big help.

All the best,

Mother

[USR]Lange

@mother im "rude" because you (YOU, thron mc...) are rude.

read my post again! i had asked WHAT YOU NEED! any monkey would understand that.

patience is unimportant. success is important.

Simon

gollem

So, maybe everybody should start this discussion over, nice this time and forget about the old one.

[USR]Lange seems to be able to get the SDK, go for it. From what I read that's exactly what the software author needs, don't know if he can legally use it though.