Best GPS for Wardriving - Page 2

wrzwaldo · 09-06-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starpoint

When it comes to GPS there is another factor, does the unit have WAAS or not.. WAAS (and I forgot what that stands for) basically you can have a more detailed map on the screen with WAAS. ...

Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS)

Is for positional accuracy. It really has nothing to do with map detail.

The FAA commissioned the Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS) at 12:01AM on July 10, 2003.

Another page of interest concerning GPS/WAAS.

eviltoaster · 09-07-2004

thanks guys. BTW is there any gps that supports xp, osx, and ce, thats popular out there? When I get a gps, multiplatform compatability will probably be my determining factor.

G8tK33per · 09-07-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by eviltoaster

thanks guys. BTW is there any gps that supports xp, osx, and ce, thats popular out there? When I get a gps, multiplatform compatability will probably be my determining factor.

Do you even know what a GPS is for? The GPS spits out data, it's up to the receiving device/system to be able to understand the format of data the GPS can send.

Thorn · 09-07-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by eviltoaster

thanks guys. BTW is there any gps that supports xp, osx, and ce, thats popular out there? When I get a gps, multiplatform compatability will probably be my determining factor.

GPS receivers don't know or care about operating systems. What you want is to make sure you get a GPS that speaks NMEA 1.8 or higher (most are v2.1 now.) NMEA is the common language of GPS receivers.

The secondary consideration is how you are getting the NMEA data into the laptop/PC/handheld; no matter what the OS. Most GPS receivers use serial ports (RS-232C), but many laptops have eliminated serial ports and are going to strictly USB connections, with the some also having BlueTooth. This will require a GPS that has USB (rare but slowly becoming more common) a USB/Serial converter cable or a GPS with BT (still rare).

Madhadder · 09-07-2004

Just thought I's jump in here about DGPS.

In the US they use - WAAS (Wide Area Augmentation System)
In the EU it's - EGNOS (European Geostationary Navigation Overlay System)
And int Asia its - MSAS (Multi-functional Satellite Augmentation System)

And Since the 3 systems are compatible international coverage is
guaranteed. The systems send their correctional signals at the same
frequencies as GPS. Since a modern 12 channel GPS maximally receives signals from 10 satellites, one channel remains free for the reception of correctional signals. The use of the corrected data is charge free for the GPS receivers.

I know that in Germany the EGNOS signal is sent out from a tower near
Frankfurt, and has a range of something like 1000km along with
two Inmarsat satellites that retransmit the signal.

Google If you want more info.

wrzwaldo · 09-07-2004

Just a note.

DGPS is not WAAS.

The only similarity is they both augment the Global Positioning System.

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WAAS signals are transmitted on the same frequency as GPS signals (as you pointed out) and require only a WAAS enabled GPSr.

DGPS requires an additional receiver/antenna.

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WAAS testing in September 2002 confirmed accuracy performance of 1 – 2 meters horizontal and 2 –3 meters vertical throughout the majority of the continental U.S.

Typically, the positional error of a DGPS position is 1 to 3 meters, Greatly enhancing harbor entrance and approach navigation. The System provides service for coastal coverage of the continental U.S., the Great Lakes, Puerto Rico, portions of Alaska and Hawaii, and a greater part of the Mississippi River Basin.

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The Coast Guard's maritime Differential Global Positioning Service achieved Full Operational Capability (FOC) on 15 March 1999 as announced in the DOT press release. The maritime DGPS service provides 10 meter (2 dRMS) navigation accuracy, integrity alarms for GPS and DGPS out-of-tolerance conditions within 10 seconds of detection, availability of 99.7% per month, coastal coverage to the continental United States, the Great Lakes, Puerto Rico/US Virgin Islands, and selected portions of Alaska and Hawaii.

espurgeo · 04-02-2005

Hello,
I also got the Microsoft 2005 Streets & Trips with GPS reciever, which came with a Pharos GPS-360 USB receiver. I have not been able to get it to work with Netstumbler at all. What am I doing wrong? Are there any firmware or driver updates available? I haven't been able to find anything yet. I have firmware version 3.0 and driver version 2.0.0.26 dated 07/20/04 for the Pharos GPS-360 USB GPS.

Also, this GPS receiver only works of I plug it in and THEN start or restart my computer. Otherwise it doesn't even work with Streets & Trips.

Also, is it possible to run the GPS tracking in Netstumbler and Microsoft 2005 Streets & Trips at the same time?

Please help.

Thank You,
Eric

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erocku

I am insipred to start wardriving after reading through these forums and several other sites. I've got to get a GPS unit though. I found some info by searching, but I havent got enough info to base a decision on.

So, if you could help me out, report the make/model you have and what you'd rate it 1 out of 10.

I'll complie all of the results on this first post so others like me will be able to find what they need without having to search around forever or keep posting threads like this. Thanks.

* I bought the MS Streets & Trips bundle with the Pharos GPS-360. It works great with netstumbler.

===========================================
GPS Unit: ----------------Rating:|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|
===========================================
Delorme Earthmate USB---------|-----------------|9|---
Delorme Tripmate Serial---------|---------------|8|-----
Garmin Etrex Legend Serial------|---------------|8|-----
Globalsat USB (#BU303)---------|-------------------|10|
Microsoft/Pharos GPS-360 USB--|-----------------|9|---
===========================================

dgstinner · 04-02-2005

Quote:

To start with, if you're using Streets & Trips 2005 with GPS Locator, turning your laptop into a GPS receiver is a simple matter of plug and play--just plug the locator into a USB port on your laptop. Your laptop and Streets & Trips immediately detect the presence of the locator without any additional configuration.

According to MS, the GPS should work with just plugging it in. The fact that you need to start the PC with the GPS plugged in for it to work tells me something is wrong. I have the DeLorme USB Earthmate and love it. The only thing I would like is for it to work with Knoppix STD (without having to by the serial cable) so I can run Kismet.

Dutch · 04-02-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by espurgeo

Hello,
I also got the Microsoft 2005 Streets & Trips with GPS reciever, which came with a Pharos GPS-360 USB receiver. I have not been able to get it to work with Netstumbler at all. What am I doing wrong? Are there any firmware or driver updates available? I haven't been able to find anything yet. I have firmware version 3.0 and driver version 2.0.0.26 dated 07/20/04 for the Pharos GPS-360 USB GPS.

Also, this GPS receiver only works of I plug it in and THEN start or restart my computer. Otherwise it doesn't even work with Streets & Trips.

Also, is it possible to run the GPS tracking in Netstumbler and Microsoft 2005 Streets & Trips at the same time?

Please help.

Thank You,
Eric

Have you installed the driver that came with the GPS ? You need the driver in order to virtualize a com-port. If the GPS doesn't show up as a com-port in the XP Device Manager, you won't be able to use it with NS.

With regards to the GPS only being recognised by the PC after a reboot, it looks like there is something wrong with the USB detection in your XP installation. It could be because you haven't installed the above mentioned USB-to-virtual-serialport driver, but it could also be your XP setup being hosed. Try the GPS on another PC. It should be detected by XP when plugged in, and the driver installation wizard should start.

As for sharing the GPS between multiple programs at the same time, try to do a search on the forum, for "Share GPS". It has been covered ad nauseaum in other posts.

Dutch

theprez98 · 04-02-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by espurgeo

Also, is it possible to run the GPS tracking in Netstumbler and Microsoft 2005 Streets & Trips at the same time?

http://franson.com/gpsgate/

GPSGate, well worth paying for.

Schwa · 04-30-2005

I've been using a Deluo GPS for a while now (borrowing it) and it works great with NS and everything else. Unfortunately it's only connection is USB so I have to use the virtual serial driver, but for the most part that hasn't caused a problem. I'd give it an 8/10

Looks like their newer model can be adapted to real serial, USB or BT as options.

http://www.deluo.com/Merchant2/merch...tegory_Code=GR

Pretty good deal at $ 74.90

or the non-WAAS "lite" version for $10 less

http://www.deluo.com/Merchant2/Deluo..._PDA-p-57.html

09-07-2004	#20 (permalink)
Madhadder General "Noob Basher" Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 1,620	Just thought I's jump in here about DGPS. In the US they use - WAAS (Wide Area Augmentation System) In the EU it's - EGNOS (European Geostationary Navigation Overlay System) And int Asia its - MSAS (Multi-functional Satellite Augmentation System) And Since the 3 systems are compatible international coverage is guaranteed. The systems send their correctional signals at the same frequencies as GPS. Since a modern 12 channel GPS maximally receives signals from 10 satellites, one channel remains free for the reception of correctional signals. The use of the corrected data is charge free for the GPS receivers. I know that in Germany the EGNOS signal is sent out from a tower near Frankfurt, and has a range of something like 1000km along with two Inmarsat satellites that retransmit the signal. Google If you want more info. __________________ Legends may sleep, but they never die!!!!

09-07-2004	#21 (permalink)
wrzwaldo I amuse you? Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 9,147	Just a note. DGPS is not WAAS. The only similarity is they both augment the Global Positioning System. - WAAS signals are transmitted on the same frequency as GPS signals (as you pointed out) and require only a WAAS enabled GPSr. DGPS requires an additional receiver/antenna. - WAAS testing in September 2002 confirmed accuracy performance of 1 – 2 meters horizontal and 2 –3 meters vertical throughout the majority of the continental U.S. Typically, the positional error of a DGPS position is 1 to 3 meters, Greatly enhancing harbor entrance and approach navigation. The System provides service for coastal coverage of the continental U.S., the Great Lakes, Puerto Rico, portions of Alaska and Hawaii, and a greater part of the Mississippi River Basin. - The Coast Guard's maritime Differential Global Positioning Service achieved Full Operational Capability (FOC) on 15 March 1999 as announced in the DOT press release. The maritime DGPS service provides 10 meter (2 dRMS) navigation accuracy, integrity alarms for GPS and DGPS out-of-tolerance conditions within 10 seconds of detection, availability of 99.7% per month, coastal coverage to the continental United States, the Great Lakes, Puerto Rico/US Virgin Islands, and selected portions of Alaska and Hawaii. Last edited by wrzwaldo : 09-07-2004 at 09:59 AM.

04-30-2005	#26 (permalink)
Schwa Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 1	Deluo Puck I've been using a Deluo GPS for a while now (borrowing it) and it works great with NS and everything else. Unfortunately it's only connection is USB so I have to use the virtual serial driver, but for the most part that hasn't caused a problem. I'd give it an 8/10 Looks like their newer model can be adapted to real serial, USB or BT as options. http://www.deluo.com/Merchant2/merch...tegory_Code=GR Pretty good deal at $ 74.90 or the non-WAAS "lite" version for $10 less http://www.deluo.com/Merchant2/Deluo..._PDA-p-57.html Last edited by Schwa : 04-30-2005 at 11:48 PM.

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09-07-2004	#17 (permalink)
eviltoaster Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19	thanks guys. BTW is there any gps that supports xp, osx, and ce, thats popular out there? When I get a gps, multiplatform compatability will probably be my determining factor.