Building a Y cable rather than software...

HoneyPot · 03-04-2003

Why Haven't I seen more people do this? Rather than dick with the software etc

OK, let me first say that I have a free usb and serial port (the serial port I currently use for my Garmin)

Why hasn't anyone built a Y splitter that would simply plug onto the male end of the garmin cable???

Ignore the periods here lol

(GPS)...... ---------->-RX
-TX......../.............. -Ground (into Belkin serial to USB verter)
-RX
Ground.
.............\
...............------------>-TX
.............................. - RX (into puters serial
...............................-Ground

Should be able to split the RX pin and still have decent data flow to both, correct?

Netstumbler doesn't need to communicate to the GPS, does it? It only needs to see the data,correct?

Any thoughts
Naturally, the second serial I'd connect to a Belkin usb to serial converter.

Rig:
Toshiba lappy
Garmin etrex
gold card
streets and trips 2003
Recent version of NS

blackwave · 03-04-2003

search the forums, its been done ... but it is pretty clumsy... this is one reason people use comfoolery or other serial splitting software so they don't have to rely on hardware to do it.

HoneyPot · 03-04-2003

BW I've read many threads on comfoolery, However I've not seen it work with 98SE

It there an update I don't know about?

BTW.. BW I sent you a PM regarding something else too if you get a moment

agentgrn · 03-04-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by HoneyPot
Why Haven't I seen more people do this? Rather than dick with the software etc

I think it has to do with the fact that most people here have systems that are capable of running the software...and it's really a lot less messy that way.

My wardriving setup requires a hardwire split because MapPoint 2k2 doesn't like working with anything other than a hardware serial port. Software emulations and USB serials don't cut it. In fact, MP2k2 with my Belkin USB Serial adaptor is the only thing that I have seen BSOD my XP laptop.

So I use my single hardwired com port for MapPoint, and the Belkin w/ Comfoolery for NS & SA9.0...and everything hums along pretty well for the mostpart.

chemman14 · 03-05-2003

so wait you are using 2 gps's?
sorry your post isnt very clear

blackwave · 03-05-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by chemman14
so wait you are using 2 gps's?
sorry your post isnt very clear

the key is to use one NMEA spouting GPS to two ports so you can use the SAME data on two different programs. For example comport1 would be using mappoint2002, and comport2 would be using netstumbler...

A few wardrivers/netstumbler/nethuggers like to do this while going around so they can track themselves as well as leave breadcrumbs (though there are alternate scripts, programs that help with this)...

chemman14 · 03-05-2003

ahh i c now
well i plan to use the live update script that jjcrackzor(or however you spell his name) made

blackwave · 03-05-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by chemman14
ahh i c now
well i plan to use the live update script that jjcrackzor(or however you spell his name) made

Yeah it is jjkaczor and remember what he explained to you here: http://forums.netstumbler.com/showth...4831#post44831

HoneyPot · 03-05-2003

In the end, I just might get another GPS.

Actually my lappy is primarly being used for something else that does require 98se.

A side note: Does anyone else have the problem of a super bright LCD? (unable to adjust it) I'm a little nervious having my LCD lit up in the car at night (it lights up my enitre car) A cop wouldn't enjoy that too much if he saw me.

I'm more concerned about streets and trips mapping being too bright, otherwis messing with the windows setting would work...yes I saw the nifty glasses lol

So the GPS tracking, might only get used at times in the suburbs where I can get lost

blackwave · 03-05-2003

on my laptop i have the bios lock (with screen blank) memorized... regularly I use dark color schemes to not attract a ton of attention, but the screen power does make it seem like the vehicle has a large LCD from far away... there are a few threads on this board that discuss helpful methods to be a little more stealth that favor this for whatever reason. ... ps getting lost at night in a cookie-cut track housing does suck... it becomes a maze, and you don't know where the Minotaur is hiding!

HoneyPot · 03-05-2003

yeah I jump to that hot key often too...

I may try something similar to a glare shield, but use some thin lexon plastic, tinted with a light tint film..

agentgrn · 03-05-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by blackwave
the key is to use one NMEA spouting GPS to two ports so you can use the SAME data on two different programs. For example comport1 would be using mappoint2002, and comport2 would be using netstumbler...

A few wardrivers/netstumbler/nethuggers like to do this while going around so they can track themselves as well as leave breadcrumbs (though there are alternate scripts, programs that help with this)...

Thanks for clarifying that for me BW.

I kinda go above and beyond in that I use two mapping programs at once when I go out. One is to track the places where I have gone on the current drive, and the other is a much smaller window showing all the places I have been on the previous drives I choose...just in case I have a brainfart and overlap.

I got my 802.11a card today, so I'll make another Comfoolery port so I'll have 2 NS sessions running, and 2 mapping programs.

MRK · 03-05-2003

I have windows xp running with device comm and comfoolery just fine. Actually, better than fine. lol. I have, at any time, about 5 or 6 differnt programs using my single gps. :P I have 3 instances of GEM, my favorit gps mapping program, that tell me where i'm at and where i've been, each at a differnt zoom level. Then i have 2 differnt versions of Street Atlus Delux running (Delux and 2003). (mainly because most of the time Delux puts me on the road, and 2003 shows me where the new roads are.) And of course, lastly, i have Netstumbler running. It took me a while to get it working, mainly all the timeout settings in Device Com, but once those were worked out, it ran perfectly.

Suffice it to say, i doubt i will ever get lost. And if i do, it wont take me very long to get un-lost.

Btw, if you think i'm crazy, the only reason i have 5 gps programs running is that i drive a grid pattern on every street on every block. I've driven my entier city, literally. I've been on every street that exist. (even gated neighborhoods. lol. shhh) And to do this, i like to see where i'm at and where i'm going, and make sure that i dont miss a street.

-Mr.K

03-04-2003	#1 (permalink)
HoneyPot Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ask your spouse Posts: 26	Building a Y cable rather than software... Why Haven't I seen more people do this? Rather than dick with the software etc OK, let me first say that I have a free usb and serial port (the serial port I currently use for my Garmin) Why hasn't anyone built a Y splitter that would simply plug onto the male end of the garmin cable??? Ignore the periods here lol (GPS)...... ---------->-RX -TX......../.............. -Ground (into Belkin serial to USB verter) -RX Ground. .............\ ...............------------>-TX .............................. - RX (into puters serial ...............................-Ground Should be able to split the RX pin and still have decent data flow to both, correct? Netstumbler doesn't need to communicate to the GPS, does it? It only needs to see the data,correct? Any thoughts Naturally, the second serial I'd connect to a Belkin usb to serial converter. Rig: Toshiba lappy Garmin etrex gold card streets and trips 2003 Recent version of NS __________________ I am a bomb technician, if you see me running...try to catch up!!!

03-04-2003	#2 (permalink)
blackwave Do I look like I'm joking Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: SoCal, OC Posts: 4,507	search the forums, its been done ... but it is pretty clumsy... this is one reason people use comfoolery or other serial splitting software so they don't have to rely on hardware to do it. __________________ -=BW=-

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HoneyPot Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ask your spouse Posts: 26	BW I've read many threads on comfoolery, However I've not seen it work with 98SE It there an update I don't know about? BTW.. BW I sent you a PM regarding something else too if you get a moment __________________ I am a bomb technician, if you see me running...try to catch up!!! Last edited by HoneyPot : 03-04-2003 at 10:23 PM.

03-05-2003	#9 (permalink)
HoneyPot Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ask your spouse Posts: 26	In the end, I just might get another GPS. Actually my lappy is primarly being used for something else that does require 98se. A side note: Does anyone else have the problem of a super bright LCD? (unable to adjust it) I'm a little nervious having my LCD lit up in the car at night (it lights up my enitre car) A cop wouldn't enjoy that too much if he saw me. I'm more concerned about streets and trips mapping being too bright, otherwis messing with the windows setting would work...yes I saw the nifty glasses lol So the GPS tracking, might only get used at times in the suburbs where I can get lost __________________ I am a bomb technician, if you see me running...try to catch up!!! Last edited by HoneyPot : 03-05-2003 at 11:24 AM.

03-05-2003	#10 (permalink)
blackwave Do I look like I'm joking Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: SoCal, OC Posts: 4,507	on my laptop i have the bios lock (with screen blank) memorized... regularly I use dark color schemes to not attract a ton of attention, but the screen power does make it seem like the vehicle has a large LCD from far away... there are a few threads on this board that discuss helpful methods to be a little more stealth that favor this for whatever reason. ... ps getting lost at night in a cookie-cut track housing does suck... it becomes a maze, and you don't know where the Minotaur is hiding! __________________ -=BW=-

03-05-2003	#5 (permalink)
chemman14 CadillacStumbler Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 250	so wait you are using 2 gps's? sorry your post isnt very clear

03-05-2003	#7 (permalink)
chemman14 CadillacStumbler Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 250	ahh i c now well i plan to use the live update script that jjcrackzor(or however you spell his name) made

03-05-2003	#11 (permalink)
HoneyPot Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ask your spouse Posts: 26	yeah I jump to that hot key often too... I may try something similar to a glare shield, but use some thin lexon plastic, tinted with a light tint film.. __________________ I am a bomb technician, if you see me running...try to catch up!!!

03-05-2003	#13 (permalink)
MRK Grid Stumbler Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 241	I have windows xp running with device comm and comfoolery just fine. Actually, better than fine. lol. I have, at any time, about 5 or 6 differnt programs using my single gps. :P I have 3 instances of GEM, my favorit gps mapping program, that tell me where i'm at and where i've been, each at a differnt zoom level. Then i have 2 differnt versions of Street Atlus Delux running (Delux and 2003). (mainly because most of the time Delux puts me on the road, and 2003 shows me where the new roads are.) And of course, lastly, i have Netstumbler running. It took me a while to get it working, mainly all the timeout settings in Device Com, but once those were worked out, it ran perfectly. Suffice it to say, i doubt i will ever get lost. And if i do, it wont take me very long to get un-lost. Btw, if you think i'm crazy, the only reason i have 5 gps programs running is that i drive a grid pattern on every street on every block. I've driven my entier city, literally. I've been on every street that exist. (even gated neighborhoods. lol. shhh) And to do this, i like to see where i'm at and where i'm going, and make sure that i dont miss a street. -Mr.K

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