streaker69

Woah! What's next, not wanting Tax cheats in positions of power either?

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That's not exactly fair. The Dems all paid their taxes once they were exposed in the media.

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Beard

Elected folks should not be allowed to set their own salaries or retire from political office under 'special plans' . They could use Social Security benefits like the rest of us. It also wouldn't hurt to require them meet the same type of competence tests military enlisted personnel face [especially the navy] when they're trying to get promoted.

Maybe they should wear a necklace of office that contains enough explosive that, when triggered by a poor enough performance rating, blows their head off.

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paintballaddict

Now THAT'S an idea I like!!! That's one way to get em off their asses.

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Airstreamer

And they've failed miserably at that too.

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lagoausente

In that line for could be said that capitalism is nothing more then robbing other countries resources, and using all strategies avaible to keep them under control, avoiding them to make progress to keep getting cheap natural resources from them, like raw materials. In many cases helping to keep in that countries, the power a dictators ready to make good business with. Also brainwashing people to think that with capitalism the money is proportional to individual skills, intelligence bla bla bla, and so we could get to conclusion that poor people and poor countries are poor because are lazy or stupid or both.
Well, now that things are getting worse and worse, you may blame Obama or what you prefer. I just have to say, you seem to ignore lot of things that occur in the world. In AIG and many other, there was ficticius companies assured for lots of money. Fictitius companies with fictitius profits that sell each other "nothing". That companies grown based on false documents, and was assured but important companies. Swindles are monumental.
Speculation are other field, (win money without production, buy for 10, sell the same for 20). So if the sistem is ok, please explain me how you can get 10 without product anything.., just thing about houses re-selled over and over for more money, with higher credits. Are them profitable? Auto-regulation is posible? I don´t think so.
In Argentina crisis, politics sold national profitable oil enterprises at ridiculous price, and empty the state coffers in favor of external debt, but.., european and american banks was in the swindle, they created virtual money movements between the goverment and external entities that increased a lot the debt quantity based all in swindle virtual money movements. As you told, companies are guided by profit, but the part that "is honest".. is not that way in too often.
I think anyone should must put in dubt their faith, in general, doesn´t matter what faith.
I doesn´t suprise at all your point of view, just because in every forum where politics issues appear, often the coments based on prejudgements are repeated over and over, and usually are the same. Many categorical assertions, and ignoring many things that occur out there.

Beard

lagoausente:

Individuals, their status [well off or poor], education, abilities, nationality, or type of government usually are not a significant part of the equation. The equation is: Money [wealth], and the control of wealth, is [=] power. The desire to gain more power results in unethical behavior by corporations and individuals. The activities whereby undeveloped countries are taken advantage of could not happen without the desire for power/wealth on both sides. Poor countries very seldom change their leadership to a beneficial [less power hungry] one, they change a bad one for another set of greedy bad ones. Unfortunately, the power mongers around the world, be they in the USA, Europe, Middle East or any where else, back this since they see it as supporting their goal of acquiring more power.

As far as Socialism vs Capitalism goes, any system is as good/bad as the folks living with it allow its administrators to go. When the people living within a system allow themselves to be removed from participating in policy decisions, are prevented from actively participating in the decision making process, are ignored by the administrators, or assume a 'what's in it for me' attitude, the system will go bad. I personally feel socialism is a loser. Why should I be forced to share/give what I worked for with someone else? If I am forced to do this, then I don't think I'll work as hard or try to be successful. Because then I can get the same things, without working, from someone who is working hard and believes in socialism.

We're not "~ brainwashing people to think that with capitalism the money is proportional to individual skills, intelligence~". The idea is that these things can lead to a better life [more money] through their application. Being educated or skillful doesn't necessarily lead to more money. Succeeding in applying these attributes, along with a little luck, on the other hand can, and usually does, allow one to achieve a better income.
Don't you try to sell things for more than you paid? If you do try, then you're one of those 'Capitalists'.
By the way, capitalism can't be all bad, US citizens are pretty well off and a lot of countries are traveling more or less in the same direction.

A lot of your post sounds like a general rant about criminal activity which occurs in all countries. In that case say what you really feel and get it out of your system, most, if not all, of us feel the same way.

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Religous: "Thou shalt not steal."
Amish: "You shall burn in hell for theft of wifi." {courtesy streaker69}
Secular: What's on the books. {courtesy beakmyn}
Redneck; "Thievin' bastard, [blam, blam]"

Solutions for the most common problems or questions of new members are here, here, and here .

Thorn

Capitalism is about making money. There may be bad ways to do so, or good ways, but the point is to make money. Nothing more, nothing less.

I would say, more correctly, that they behave stupidly, and is true in many cases. Although in many countries, cultural (and sometimes religious) belief systems are to blame. Of course, when such beliefs get in the way of making money, then that is behaving stupidly.

I don't blame Obama for much, he's done some stupid things as a senator, but as a president hasn't done much thus far except pander to the press. However, I am afraid of what he might do.

I would express the same opinion of you.

Geez, look at the facts. AIG failed because of regulation.

Sure it is. NO regulation is the ideal. The market, if left alone from outside influences, is always self controlling.

'Nationalized companies' are a fiction. They are government departments. They cannot, by definition, be "profitable." To claim that they are profitable is an oxymoron.

Are you talking about religion(s), or is something being lost in translation?

Well, I have my prejudices, and admit to them! However, I have found that your types of comments generally fit with those who are younger (less than 30 years old), and have parents who pay for their lives, and have never had to really work for themselves. In short, people with no experience in the real world. Before you assume that you have a true world view, I would suggest experiencing actually being poor, and then actually making your own money. You'll likely find that the latter is preferable. Actually working with the homeless and the sick,might be enlightening, too.

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brwrdrvr

You know this guy thinks that Spain has all the answers. The only reason I can see someone from Spain having such a problem with the U.S. is because one of our presidents back in the 50's signed an agreement with Franko, the dictator of Spain at the time.

Now that they have a different government they feel it was wrong for the U.S. to support that kind of government and have bad feelings towards us. To the point that we don't keep our military there anymore, nor do we give them any assistance.

So Mr. Spaniard, which is it?

I'm sick of everyone bashing us while they are sneaking their asses across our borders to drink from our magical fountain.

You know what, fuck Spain. Bunch animals just killed and raped off a whole Aztec nation. Then they made Mexicans. Now the Mexicans are coming here illegally and it all started with a Spaniard's sperm.

You live on a side of the world we should just nuke and forget about. You're probably a Muslim too.

Fucking asshole, you're probably pissed because your mother sells herself to rich Americans and doesn't give you any money for your plastic sex doll fetish.
Had to do it. This thread was getting to civilized for me. Plus I need a bit of excitment today.

I'd be pissed too if I went from a dictatorship to a socialistic government without even trying capitalism first. HAHAHHAHA Suckers!

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G8tK33per

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I like how most other countries seem to enjoy bashing the U.S. but as soon as someone starts to put a foot up their asses they come crying to Uncle Sam to solve their problems. Fuck 'em.

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lagoausente

First of all, I have bought a HSDPA modem, SIMYO have reasonable prices in 3G, and it´s more confortable than the library.

There other issues are really offtopic, but I´ll reply.

Of course , so I don´t think why people would trust in companies in general, if they are free to use bad ways to make money, at least money gives power aswell.

Ok, but I should consider what have done (or not done) Bush before aswell, to judge one and other.

Of course I admit it, mass media provides very well-done disinformacion, so ignore a lot of things is quite easy.

What about the money lost? How can recover people money? If you allow a company to invest people moeney without regulation, and that money is invested in the wrong way or missing, there are no only a company affected, it´s a lot of resources affected that cannot be recovered.

Not, I´m not talking about religion, I talking about faith in premisses like "the market regulate itself". I think that can be applied in many fields but not in the financial, for example. In bank hands are resources of other people and even of other companies, if you allow them to make dissapear a lot of money, it will affect the rest of the economy, and if just letting them fall will not fix the damaged that could have caused.
I´m 33 years old, and live 600Km away from my parents. Had bad works in the past, now have a decent/good job, but I cannot see that there is a relation between hard work/more progress or money. When I worked harder than today I won less money than I do actually, so the premisses of "capitalism is perfect as it is", I don´t know have faith in that. I don´t believe in socialism. I think that a free market is ok, but there must be rules, to avoide "tha bad ways of making money", if socialism discourages individual efforts, illegitimate ways of making money that make some lazy guys to get rich whithout production, just speculationg that discourages aswell individual efforts.
Another issue is the free market competition. Companies like Microsoft, prefer pay a fine for monopoly actions than avoid them, it´s still more profitable, and that doesn´t respect tha rules.
In real state construction, the free market rules cannot work as well as in other products. Land is limited, and so offer and demand cannot be in balance as in production of oranges, or bread, so the houses keep increasing their prices to points unreasonable, and far away it´s real cost of production.
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Nobody have all the answers, but insulting I think is not the best image for your country.
Political parties here are, center-left (was 12 years after the dictator), center-right (was 10 years after that), now again center-left (now 5 years).
We live in capitalism aswell, and we criticize our country more than yours.
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As have said before, we criticize our country aswell, and again, insulting just give reason to them who bash U.S.
There are other countries with a high technological and economic development like Japan, Germany, France, that don´t stay think they are the owners of the world, and seem consider a little country a plot where can play around.
I know US is a great country that have contributed in good things, but aswell there are things too bad to be admited.
YouTube - 911 Mysteries Part 1
( I bet you´ll don´t want to see the nine parts, but if you do, I think you´ll change your point of view of the issue treated there)

An interesting discussion in favor and against U.S. (in spanish).
Por qué algunos odian a los Estados Unidos de Norte América (USA). - Burbuja Económica