Helping Hand

HomeLAN · 05-16-2004

Hey guys, I tried searching the forums and reading lots of posts yet im unable to find the information i'm looking for; so im asking for a helping hand. (or the link to a post that could help)

My question is .. when i used v0.3.30 i was able to "view available wireless networks" by right clicking the status of my wireless card that runs in the system tray and still being able to connect without having to exit out of NS. Im taking it this is a new feature added since the upgrade i have made to v0.4 that doesnt allow this? Is there a way to get that functionality back or is something just screwy with the way i have v0.4 setup

(PS. Good Work on v0.4 i like

This is great for us network admins. )

wrzwaldo · 05-16-2004

Without knowing what card and OS we are going to be of little help. At any rate this does not sound like something that NS would have caused (to my knowledeg NS does not modify drivers/firmware/client software on install). Did you upgrade drivers/firmware/client manager (the thing that runs in your sys tray)?

Redman247 · 05-17-2004

If this is an XP installation (Like I suspect.) the problem is deriving from the fact that when NS 0.4 starts up (and while it is running) Xp's "Wireless Zero Configuration" is turned off (By NS), that is why you wouldn't get the little ballon in the corner telling you there is wireless networks to connect to. This is normal for NS 0.4, and when you close NS it turns your WZC back on.

HomeLAN · 05-17-2004

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Originally Posted by Redman247

If this is an XP installation (Like I suspect.) the problem is deriving from the fact that when NS 0.4 starts up (and while it is running) Xp's "Wireless Zero Configuration" is turned off (By NS), that is why you wouldn't get the little ballon in the corner telling you there is wireless networks to connect to. This is normal for NS 0.4, and when you close NS it turns your WZC back on.

Okay, you just confirmed what I suspected. How do you stop NS from turning "Wireless Zero Configuration" off? I would like to stay on v0.4! When i want to keep myself from connecting from AP's, for example when i wardrive i turn off the TCP/IP stack...but other times when i am testing on my work and home networks this is annoying how you have to cancel out of NS and connect to the various AP's then having to restart NS

by the way... you're right im on XP Pro and have a orinoco 8410-WD

JTX · 05-17-2004

Turn off Auto Reconfigure by either depressing the little button that looks like 2 gears, or go into the Options and uncheck the box next to "Reconfigure card automatically".

wrzwaldo · 05-17-2004

This taken from the readme.

Quote:

Q8. Should I allow Windows XP to manage my wireless settings?
A8. Probably not. When you are not connected to a network, XP will cycle through your favorite network names attempting to connect to them. While this is happening, NetStumbler may not see all available networks. It is recommended that you stop the "Wireless Zero Configuration" service while NetStumbler is running. You can do this by switching on "Auto Reconfigure", from Control Panel, or by running the command "net stop wzcsvc".

So I expect if you turn "Auto Reconfigure" off it will not stop WZC.

HomeLAN · 05-17-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrzwaldo

This taken from the readme.

So I expect if you turn "Auto Reconfigure" off it will not stop WZC.

hey... now that’s what I thought when I read that somewhere; I think it was on that readme! But I’m 99.9% sure when i tried that exact thing it didn’t start the service back up? (Disable auto reconfigure) I'll try it again when i get home i didnt take my thinkpad with me today. I guess i can do it from the command line if this doesnt work, but I’m sure there has to be a more efficient way of keeping NS from doing this for you. If you don’t want the OS to automagically connect to AP's then you can take them out of the list...or disable the TCP/IP stack... you know

or did i miss something LOL

any other thoughts??

King_Ice_Flash · 05-17-2004

Well... XP has this greedy MS tendency to connect to anything it sees, so this version disables the wireless zero config to keep you legal. I believe he said he would add a button to stop and start the wireless zero config in the future.

HomeLAN · 05-17-2004

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Originally Posted by King_Ice_Flash

Well... XP has this greedy MS tendency to connect to anything it sees, so this version disables the wireless zero config to keep you legal. I believe he said he would add a button to stop and start the wireless zero config in the future.

what doesnt MS do that isnt greedy? LOL... you basically cleared up exactly what i conjour up myself; now if only NS came out with a new minor version with those buttons i would be excited

patients are one thing i have yet to acquire! haha

Redman247 · 05-17-2004

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Originally Posted by HomeLAN

what doesnt MS do that isnt greedy? LOL... you basically cleared up exactly what i conjour up myself; now if only NS came out with a new minor version with those buttons i would be excited

patients are one thing i have yet to acquire! haha

Well with NS it is something you need because Marius is a busy man (He does NS in his spare time) . It took him a bit of time between this version and it's predecessor, so a good dose of patients goes a long way.

Chris · 05-17-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomeLAN

what doesnt MS do that isnt greedy? LOL... you basically cleared up exactly what i conjour up myself; now if only NS came out with a new minor version with those buttons i would be excited

patients are one thing i have yet to acquire! haha

Calling Dr. HomeLAN, Dr. HomeLAN you have some patients waiting...and they are running out of patience.

HomeLAN · 05-17-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redman247

Well with NS it is something you need because Marius is a busy man (He does NS in his spare time) . It took him a bit of time between this version and it's predecessor, so a good dose of patients goes a long way.

Hahah, Very true!! thats why i didnt even address that fact because i knew exactly that... from reading the explainination of "beggerware"... knowing this; me stating the fact that there was a long period inbetween versions would have been a cheap shot!! thats why i left it up to you to construct what i meant by me saying patients is something i have yet to aquire.

HomeLAN · 05-17-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris

Calling Dr. HomeLAN, Dr. HomeLAN you have some patients waiting...and they are running out of patience.

tell em to hang on i'll be right there.

HomeLAN · 05-17-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrzwaldo

This taken from the readme.

So I expect if you turn "Auto Reconfigure" off it will not stop WZC.

**UPDATE** for anyone who cares.

hah.

Turning "Auto Reconfigure" off didn't help... it did not start the service again. I suspect that during launching and exiting NS is when the starting and stopping of the WZC service takes place. Good ole' manual intervention was the only way to start the WZC service again. Looks like a batch file associated to a keyboard shortcut would be the "so called buttons I will settle for" LOL

wrzwaldo · 05-17-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomeLAN

**UPDATE** for anyone who cares.

hah.

Turning "Auto Reconfigure" off didn't help... it did not start the service again. I suspect that during launching and exiting NS is when the starting and stopping of the WZC service takes place. Good ole' manual intervention was the only way to start the WZC service again. Looks like a batch file associated to a keyboard shortcut would be the "so called buttons I will settle for" LOL

Turning it off will not restart the service. It will only keep NS from disabling WZC (as I recall). Yes manual intervention is the only way to start the WZC service again if NS auto reconfigure has stopped it. This has been discussed in another forum/topic.

05-16-2004	#1 (permalink)
HomeLAN Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: CA Posts: 8	Helping Hand Hey guys, I tried searching the forums and reading lots of posts yet im unable to find the information i'm looking for; so im asking for a helping hand. (or the link to a post that could help) My question is .. when i used v0.3.30 i was able to "view available wireless networks" by right clicking the status of my wireless card that runs in the system tray and still being able to connect without having to exit out of NS. Im taking it this is a new feature added since the upgrade i have made to v0.4 that doesnt allow this? Is there a way to get that functionality back or is something just screwy with the way i have v0.4 setup (PS. Good Work on v0.4 i like This is great for us network admins. )

05-16-2004	#2 (permalink)
wrzwaldo I amuse you? Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 9,141	Without knowing what card and OS we are going to be of little help. At any rate this does not sound like something that NS would have caused (to my knowledeg NS does not modify drivers/firmware/client software on install). Did you upgrade drivers/firmware/client manager (the thing that runs in your sys tray)? Last edited by wrzwaldo : 05-16-2004 at 11:36 PM.

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Redman247 Decibel Disseminator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mannhiem, Germany Posts: 47	If this is an XP installation (Like I suspect.) the problem is deriving from the fact that when NS 0.4 starts up (and while it is running) Xp's "Wireless Zero Configuration" is turned off (By NS), that is why you wouldn't get the little ballon in the corner telling you there is wireless networks to connect to. This is normal for NS 0.4, and when you close NS it turns your WZC back on. __________________ BastardCard Bastardize the possibilities.... Accepted in over 187 countries as a way to tell others to shut the hell up! BastardCard, not just another card, it's a way of life! Last edited by Redman247 : 05-17-2004 at 04:02 AM. Reason: Damn spelling errors! Where is F7 when you need it?!?!

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King_Ice_Flash Alien Paranoid Stumbler Join Date: May 2003 Location: WI Posts: 2,688	Well... XP has this greedy MS tendency to connect to anything it sees, so this version disables the wireless zero config to keep you legal. I believe he said he would add a button to stop and start the wireless zero config in the future. __________________ "Yeah," said a voice from under the table, "you go to pieces so fast people get hit by the shrapnel."

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05-17-2004	#5 (permalink)
JTX kawaii desu ne Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 72	Turn off Auto Reconfigure by either depressing the little button that looks like 2 gears, or go into the Options and uncheck the box next to "Reconfigure card automatically".