Lucent silver to gold

pulz · 06-29-2003

I recently recived a lucent orinocco card from a freind of mine...

I noticed the card was a silver and i have started researching into turning it to gold card to get a 128bit wep support...

If you google this subject your gonna get a bunch of hits but all of them seem to be using a mac ap base to or an orinocco ap...

But a freind of me told me that he upgraded with some sort of pctool on his card, does anyone here know where i can find this ?

I have also searched the forums, but i whernt able to find these pctools for flashing the card directly of the laptop.

So i would be gratefull for hints for flashing my wireless card, so i can secure my wlan a bit more

(I dont feel secure with 64bit)

BlahBoy · 06-30-2003

Have a read of this and see if it helps. You need a Win98, 98SE (or even WinME!

) machine. See if that works.

R4Z13L · 06-30-2003

you can also try THIS...

lincomatic · 06-30-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by R4Z13L
you can also try THIS...

this is exactly the way i mentioned in the FAQ...
has anyone gotten this to work? no success for me.

to pulz
the apple/orinoco AP methods do not work. the only verified method so far is the one using the airport slot in a mac.
see the netstumbler FAQ.

pulz · 06-30-2003

Well, they didnt work out for me here..

So maybe your right

peekitty · 06-30-2003

The nextechwireless drivers definately don't work for the Avaya branded version of the silver card. I'm curious if the Apple hack will, or if it only works for Orinoco branded cards.

I should have an opportunity to find out this week.

lincomatic · 06-30-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by peekitty
The nextechwireless drivers definately don't work for the Avaya branded version of the silver card. I'm curious if the Apple hack will, or if it only works for Orinoco branded cards.

I should have an opportunity to find out this week.

the airport slot hack works on any branded card. i've done it on orinoco & avaya.

lincomatic · 06-30-2003

OK, let's put this one to bed now. I've communicated with several others who say it hasn't worked for them either.
I've done some analysis, and contrary to the claims, the windows-based hack DOES NOT contain modified drivers. I diffed the files w/ the originals from ORiNOCO, and here is what i found:

drivers (winter 2002 7.4 release):
all the files are identical except for the INF's. the INF in the "hacked" version merely removes all references to cards other than the ORiNOCO silver (Lucent_Technologies-WaveLAN/IEEE-C908)

firmware updater (8.10 f/w):
again, the only difference is that references to the non-silver cards have been removed. The silver card's string has been moved to the front of the list, and the others are all filled w/ zeros.

I seriously doubt that this hack works at all. The only thing they've done is make the drivers & firmware updater work only w/ the silver card.

BTW, as has been discussed before in other threads, for anyone who wants to run the Lucent ORiNOCO f/w updater w/ non-Lucent branded cards, cards, all you have to do is:
1) via the device manager, override the driver you have installed w/ the ORiNOCO-branded drivers
2) use a binary editor and insert the proper string for your non-Lucent-branded card. Just search for the string
"Lucent_Technologies-WaveLAN/IEEE-911F" and replace it w/ the proper one for your card and terminate it with a NULL. Then run the updater. This will work w/ any version of the firmware updater.

stargo · 07-04-2003

Update on 2004-06-21:
Before you try to reproduce the steps below, please have a look at lincomatics great alchemy windows app, which simplifies this process, and makes it much more reliable and safe to use. The chance to fry your hardware should be much lower ;-)
You can find more info here: http://forums.netstumbler.com/showpo...&postcount=262

------------------------------------------------------------------
The information if the card is silver or gold is stored in the cards PDA-Records. These are copied into the firmware when flashing.
What the apple-update-method does is flashing a firmware with fixed records, so the card is 104 bit. But since the PDA is not changed, the card will revert back to silver when being flashed on a pc or when running with the ap-firmware.
The obvious solution is to change the PDA.
WARNING: You are writing directly to the cards flash-memory. This could destroy your card, so be shure you know what youd do! I take no responsibilities for dead cards.

1. Get the files flash.exe and flash.ini from Intersil:
http://www.intersil.com/rnwscripts/c...p?p_faqid=1992
2. Boot to real dos mode
3. run
flash -5v -pd card.pda
(this dumps the pda of your card)
4. edit card.pda and change the line '6 109 XX2 1 2b 0 0' to
'6 109 3 3 2b 0 0' (replace only the two values after 109)
If you have an original orinoco card, then XX is nonexistant, else the two XX are your card-manufacturer-code.)
5. run
flash -5v -p card.pda
(this flashes the content of card.pda to your card)

Now your card has a new PDA but will still behave like a silver card. To really make it to a gold card, you simply have to flash the latest firmware to the card again (with the windows-update utility).
After removing and reinserting the card, The Client-Manager version information should show that you have a lucent gold card and that enhanced wep encryption is allowed.

pulz · 07-04-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by stargo
1. Get the files flash.exe and flash.ini from Intersil:
http://www.intersil.com/rnwscripts/c...p?p_faqid=1992
2. Boot to real dos mode
3. run
flash -5v -pd card.pda
(this dumps the pda of your card)
4. edit card.pda and change the line '6 109 XX2 1 2b 0 0' to
'6 109 3 3 2b 0 0' (replace only the two values after 109)
If you have an original orinoco card, then XX is nonexistant, else the two XX are your card-manufacturer-code.)
5. run
flash -5v -p card.pda
(this flashes the content of card.pda to your card)

Now your card has a new PDA but will still behave like a silver card. To really make it to a gold card, you simply have to flash the latest firmware to the card again (with the windows-update utility).
After removing and reinserting the card, The Client-Manager version information should show that you have a lucent gold card and that enhanced wep encryption is allowed. [/b]

I tried this method out, but got an get error message:

Writing pda
rid read error. offeset busy bit never cleared
rid fd01 read error
failed
error encountered

When i where trying to flash the card, strangley enough it still works..
So doesnt realy seem like it flashed anything

peekitty · 07-04-2003

It worked perfectly for me -the Avaya is now gold and I've tested it on two different APs running 128-bit WEP. I ran Flash.exe with the -legacy and -vb arguments, but otherwise followed stargo's instructions.
Many thanks stargo!!

to pulz - can you post your modified card.pda?

TheSovereign · 07-05-2003

anyone wanna post the flash program im having trouble getting it

peekitty · 07-05-2003

It's still on Intersil's site, try this:

flash.exe
flash.ini
flash.pdf

TheSovereign · 07-05-2003

something is wrong with my webfilters it wont let me save
i click the the link and nothing happens

i guess ill just uninstall them and reinstall them

lincomatic · 07-05-2003

tried it on a winbook xli w/ an orinoco silver. i booted it w/ a WinME boot disk. the pda reads ok but i get "error command 322 never signaled status" when i try to write it. i'll try a different laptop.

06-29-2003	#1 (permalink)
pulz Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8	Lucent silver to gold I recently recived a lucent orinocco card from a freind of mine... I noticed the card was a silver and i have started researching into turning it to gold card to get a 128bit wep support... If you google this subject your gonna get a bunch of hits but all of them seem to be using a mac ap base to or an orinocco ap... But a freind of me told me that he upgraded with some sort of pctool on his card, does anyone here know where i can find this ? I have also searched the forums, but i whernt able to find these pctools for flashing the card directly of the laptop. So i would be gratefull for hints for flashing my wireless card, so i can secure my wlan a bit more (I dont feel secure with 64bit)

06-30-2003	#2 (permalink)
BlahBoy Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 34	Have a read of this and see if it helps. You need a Win98, 98SE (or even WinME! ) machine. See if that works. Last edited by BlahBoy : 07-06-2003 at 01:48 AM.

06-30-2003	#3 (permalink)
R4Z13L Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Munich Posts: 10	you can also try THIS... __________________ Are you sure you've got no wireless access at home?!

06-30-2003	#8 (permalink)
lincomatic Squaaawk! WiFi! WiFi! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tinsel Town Posts: 1,682	Analysis of the Windows-based Hack OK, let's put this one to bed now. I've communicated with several others who say it hasn't worked for them either. I've done some analysis, and contrary to the claims, the windows-based hack DOES NOT contain modified drivers. I diffed the files w/ the originals from ORiNOCO, and here is what i found: drivers (winter 2002 7.4 release): all the files are identical except for the INF's. the INF in the "hacked" version merely removes all references to cards other than the ORiNOCO silver (Lucent_Technologies-WaveLAN/IEEE-C908) firmware updater (8.10 f/w): again, the only difference is that references to the non-silver cards have been removed. The silver card's string has been moved to the front of the list, and the others are all filled w/ zeros. I seriously doubt that this hack works at all. The only thing they've done is make the drivers & firmware updater work only w/ the silver card. BTW, as has been discussed before in other threads, for anyone who wants to run the Lucent ORiNOCO f/w updater w/ non-Lucent branded cards, cards, all you have to do is: 1) via the device manager, override the driver you have installed w/ the ORiNOCO-branded drivers 2) use a binary editor and insert the proper string for your non-Lucent-branded card. Just search for the string "Lucent_Technologies-WaveLAN/IEEE-911F" and replace it w/ the proper one for your card and terminate it with a NULL. Then run the updater. This will work w/ any version of the firmware updater. __________________ ~lincomatic

07-04-2003	#9 (permalink)
stargo Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3	Update on 2004-06-21: Before you try to reproduce the steps below, please have a look at lincomatics great alchemy windows app, which simplifies this process, and makes it much more reliable and safe to use. The chance to fry your hardware should be much lower ;-) You can find more info here: http://forums.netstumbler.com/showpo...&postcount=262 ------------------------------------------------------------------ The information if the card is silver or gold is stored in the cards PDA-Records. These are copied into the firmware when flashing. What the apple-update-method does is flashing a firmware with fixed records, so the card is 104 bit. But since the PDA is not changed, the card will revert back to silver when being flashed on a pc or when running with the ap-firmware. The obvious solution is to change the PDA. WARNING: You are writing directly to the cards flash-memory. This could destroy your card, so be shure you know what youd do! I take no responsibilities for dead cards. 1. Get the files flash.exe and flash.ini from Intersil: http://www.intersil.com/rnwscripts/c...p?p_faqid=1992 2. Boot to real dos mode 3. run flash -5v -pd card.pda (this dumps the pda of your card) 4. edit card.pda and change the line '6 109 XX2 1 2b 0 0' to '6 109 3 3 2b 0 0' (replace only the two values after 109) If you have an original orinoco card, then XX is nonexistant, else the two XX are your card-manufacturer-code.) 5. run flash -5v -p card.pda (this flashes the content of card.pda to your card) Now your card has a new PDA but will still behave like a silver card. To really make it to a gold card, you simply have to flash the latest firmware to the card again (with the windows-update utility). After removing and reinserting the card, The Client-Manager version information should show that you have a lucent gold card and that enhanced wep encryption is allowed. Last edited by stargo : 06-21-2004 at 12:46 PM.

06-30-2003	#5 (permalink)
pulz Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 8	Well, they didnt work out for me here.. So maybe your right

06-30-2003	#6 (permalink)
peekitty Macaca Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S. Florida Posts: 1,056	The nextechwireless drivers definately don't work for the Avaya branded version of the silver card. I'm curious if the Apple hack will, or if it only works for Orinoco branded cards. I should have an opportunity to find out this week.

07-04-2003	#11 (permalink)
peekitty Macaca Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S. Florida Posts: 1,056	It works!! It worked perfectly for me -the Avaya is now gold and I've tested it on two different APs running 128-bit WEP. I ran Flash.exe with the -legacy and -vb arguments, but otherwise followed stargo's instructions. Many thanks stargo!! to pulz - can you post your modified card.pda?

07-05-2003	#12 (permalink)
TheSovereign Master of the universe Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 658	anyone wanna post the flash program im having trouble getting it __________________ SO SAYS TheSovereign

07-05-2003	#13 (permalink)
peekitty Macaca Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S. Florida Posts: 1,056	It's still on Intersil's site, try this: flash.exe flash.ini flash.pdf

07-05-2003	#14 (permalink)
TheSovereign Master of the universe Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 658	something is wrong with my webfilters it wont let me save i click the the link and nothing happens i guess ill just uninstall them and reinstall them __________________ SO SAYS TheSovereign

07-05-2003	#15 (permalink)
lincomatic Squaaawk! WiFi! WiFi! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tinsel Town Posts: 1,682	tried it on a winbook xli w/ an orinoco silver. i booted it w/ a WinME boot disk. the pda reads ok but i get "error command 322 never signaled status" when i try to write it. i'll try a different laptop. __________________ ~lincomatic Last edited by lincomatic : 07-05-2003 at 06:12 PM.

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