Lucent silver to gold - Page 12

Corvette_Lee · 04-26-2004

before change domain and after change domain

in my AP-2000 and Client Manager

McHale · 04-26-2004

no no no no...

The PDA contains specific info about your card:

MAC

SERIAL

VENDOR ID

64 or 128 bit wep

other useless info...

When you run the utility to update your firmware, it yanks all that info from the PDA, plugs it in to the blank/generic FW and flashes it to the card MADLIBS style. Ever notice how the same FW upgrade utility works on any card regardless of country of origin? My 11 channel cards and 13 channel cards use the same utility and end up being the same when they are done. That's because of generic FW and filling in the info from the PDA.

When your driver loads your card, it reads from the FW and not the PDA then loads it into memory. You can load a different FW into memory and bypass reading from the card at all if you want to. You just need to get a valid FW file into memory. It doesn't matter where it comes from.

You can change just the FW and not the PDA and get the same results. This is how the Apple does it.

I have already changed a card from 11 to 14 channels, changed the MAC and serial by editing only the FW and flashing it back. I didn't touch the PDA.

The FW between silver/gold/bronze are all identical except specifics about each card that makes them unique.

Lincomatic isn't correct. The FW between the cards are not identical for the reasons I explained above. And it's irrelevant anyway. All we need to do is change the FW and not the PDA to get 14 channels and 128 bit WEP. Forget the PDA on the 4.00 cards for now. We're trying to use a tool designed for a completely different chipset. Of course it's not going to work all the time.

-Mc

lincomatic · 04-26-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corvette_Lee

Lucent Orinoco Silver card
hardware 4.0
Primary firmware 4.04

ok this card is identical to mine. i followed your instructions and still got error 322. can you tell me what PCMCIA controller you used (including [VID,PID])?
thanks.

lincomatic · 04-26-2004

ok, i'm assuming that you got this info from doc's or someone who knows the inside scoop. so... i have some more questions

1) can't we just dump the f/w from a gold card and then write it to a silver card instead of doing before/after on the silver card? (i know this is currently moot since the firmware writing fails)
2) when you do flash -5v -fd, it dumps the whole flash, doesn't it? what is the address range of the bytes for the station f/w?
3) since the wllucxx.sys windows driver contains station and tertiary firmware, do you think maybe we could try to jam the f/w into the driver instead?

Quote:

Originally Posted by McHale

no no no no...

The PDA contains specific info about your card:

MAC

SERIAL

VENDOR ID

64 or 128 bit wep

other useless info...

When you run the utility to update your firmware, it yanks all that info from the PDA, plugs it in to the blank/generic FW and flashes it to the card MADLIBS style. Ever notice how the same FW upgrade utility works on any card regardless of country of origin? My 11 channel cards and 13 channel cards use the same utility and end up being the same when they are done. That's because of generic FW and filling in the info from the PDA.

When your driver loads your card, it reads from the FW and not the PDA then loads it into memory. You can load a different FW into memory and bypass reading from the card at all if you want to. You just need to get a valid FW file into memory. It doesn't matter where it comes from.

You can change just the FW and not the PDA and get the same results. This is how the Apple does it.

I have already changed a card from 11 to 14 channels, changed the MAC and serial by editing only the FW and flashing it back. I didn't touch the PDA.

The FW between silver/gold/bronze are all identical except specifics about each card that makes them unique.

Lincomatic isn't correct. The FW between the cards are not identical for the reasons I explained above. And it's irrelevant anyway. All we need to do is change the FW and not the PDA to get 14 channels and 128 bit WEP. Forget the PDA on the 4.00 cards for now. We're trying to use a tool designed for a completely different chipset. Of course it's not going to work all the time.

-Mc

Corvette_Lee · 04-26-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by lincomatic

ok this card is identical to mine. i followed your instructions and still got error 322. can you tell me what PCMCIA controller you used (including [VID,PID])?
thanks.

the secret not stay in adapter... I use diverse adapter pci and isa..

the secret is in command

flash -5v -pd card.pda
edit card.pda
flash -5v -on
flash -5v -g -p card.pda

or in the adapters that do not recognize

flash -5v -legacy -pd card.pda
edit card.pda
flash -5v -legacy -on
flash -5v -legacy -g -p card.pda

good luck
Lee

lincomatic · 04-27-2004

thanks, but it didn't work for me

i'm using flash 0.5e

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corvette_Lee

the secret not stay in adapter... I use diverse adapter pci and isa..

the secret is in command

flash -5v -pd card.pda
edit card.pda
flash -5v -on
flash -5v -g -p card.pda

or in the adapters that do not recognize

flash -5v -legacy -pd card.pda
edit card.pda
flash -5v -legacy -on
flash -5v -legacy -g -p card.pda

good luck
Lee

lincomatic · 04-27-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by lincomatic

thanks, but it didn't work for me

i'm using flash 0.5e

my controller seems ok because i can write the PDA to my orinoco gold and ibm gold...just not the %#$# orinoco silver

mchale: how did you attempt to write the firmware back to the card? i tried
"flash -5v -d silver.hex" (silver.hex was created using "flash -5v -fd silver.hex") but it complains the 1st character of the file is invalid.

Corvette_Lee · 04-27-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by McHale

no no no no...

The PDA contains specific info about your card:

MAC

SERIAL

VENDOR ID

64 or 128 bit wep

other useless info...

When you run the utility to update your firmware, it yanks all that info from the PDA, plugs it in to the blank/generic FW and flashes it to the card MADLIBS style. Ever notice how the same FW upgrade utility works on any card regardless of country of origin? My 11 channel cards and 13 channel cards use the same utility and end up being the same when they are done. That's because of generic FW and filling in the info from the PDA.

When your driver loads your card, it reads from the FW and not the PDA then loads it into memory. You can load a different FW into memory and bypass reading from the card at all if you want to. You just need to get a valid FW file into memory. It doesn't matter where it comes from.

You can change just the FW and not the PDA and get the same results. This is how the Apple does it.

I have already changed a card from 11 to 14 channels, changed the MAC and serial by editing only the FW and flashing it back. I didn't touch the PDA.

The FW between silver/gold/bronze are all identical except specifics about each card that makes them unique.

Lincomatic isn't correct. The FW between the cards are not identical for the reasons I explained above. And it's irrelevant anyway. All we need to do is change the FW and not the PDA to get 14 channels and 128 bit WEP. Forget the PDA on the 4.00 cards for now. We're trying to use a tool designed for a completely different chipset. Of course it's not going to work all the time.

-Mc

in you mode the problem is if I use in Access Point with the cards.. why in Access Point read PDA and upload tertiary firmware in card RAM ..

Lee

cyberdiamond · 04-27-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corvette_Lee

in you mode the problem is if I use in Access Point with the cards.. why in Access Point read PDA and upload tertiary firmware in card RAM ..

Lee

I have the same problem I need to use the cards in an Avaya RG-1

lincomatic · 04-27-2004

just some more info. i decided to do something really crazy. i downloaded the winupdate utility as described here:

http://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/

then installed linksys wpc11 v2.5 drivers and used winupdate to dump the pda and firmware to disk. when i tried to use winupdate to write the pda/firmware back all it did was completely hang my XP system.

luckily, the card is still ok.

McHale · 04-27-2004

1. yes. That's what I attempted. Will it work. Yes... if we can find a way to write it.

2. no idea...

3. yes. that's what I'm working on now. Instead of having it query the card for the FW, just force it from a file or a loader... You would then only have to change the values in the file vefore you inserted the card and change the file when you change the card.

I got the same error as you when trying to load the FW back. I blame the fact we are using an intersil util on a hermes card.

I'm working on the driver now. I'm still not certain about that old hack we read about where you load the changed driver and load a FW. That's what I'm attempting to do on my own but haven't gotten that far yet. It's a shame that nobody got that thing to work.

-Mc

Quote:

Originally Posted by lincomatic

1) can't we just dump the f/w from a gold card and then write it to a silver card instead of doing before/after on the silver card? (i know this is currently moot since the firmware writing fails)
2) when you do flash -5v -fd, it dumps the whole flash, doesn't it? what is the address range of the bytes for the station f/w?
3) since the wlluecxx.sys windows driver contains station and tertiary firmware, do you think maybe we could try to jam the f/w into the driver instead?

how did you attempt to write the firmware back to the card? i tried
"flash -5v -d silver.hex" (silver.hex was created using "flash -5v -fd silver.hex") but it complains the 1st character of the file is invalid.

McHale · 04-27-2004

Hey Linc, because I love to beat a dead horse...

What version of this did you check? I tried the XP version and it didn't work. I'm assuming you did the same. Did you check or try the 98 version?

Also, is anyone using the OLD drivers that allow promiscuous mode? If so, lemme know so I don't have to install them just to get a file out of it... If we are going to have to patch the drivers, let's at least add this back...

-Mc

Quote:

Originally Posted by lincomatic

OK, let's put this one to bed now. I've communicated with several others who say it hasn't worked for them either.
I've done some analysis, and contrary to the claims, the windows-based hack DOES NOT contain modified drivers. I diffed the files w/ the originals from ORiNOCO, and here is what i found:

drivers (winter 2002 7.4 release):
all the files are identical except for the INF's. the INF in the "hacked" version merely removes all references to cards other than the ORiNOCO silver (Lucent_Technologies-WaveLAN/IEEE-C908)

firmware updater (8.10 f/w):
again, the only difference is that references to the non-silver cards have been removed. The silver card's string has been moved to the front of the list, and the others are all filled w/ zeros.

I seriously doubt that this hack works at all. The only thing they've done is make the drivers & firmware updater work only w/ the silver card.

BTW, as has been discussed before in other threads, for anyone who wants to run the Lucent ORiNOCO f/w updater w/ non-Lucent branded cards, cards, all you have to do is:
1) via the device manager, override the driver you have installed w/ the ORiNOCO-branded drivers
2) use a binary editor and insert the proper string for your non-Lucent-branded card. Just search for the string
"Lucent_Technologies-WaveLAN/IEEE-911F" and replace it w/ the proper one for your card and terminate it with a NULL. Then run the updater. This will work w/ any version of the firmware updater.

lincomatic · 04-27-2004

I tried XP again for just for the hell of it last nite. Don't remember if I tried 98 last year. Want to give it a shot?

I wonder if anyone's gotten the Linux version working. It's so time consuming to download/install/configure the drivers that I've been avoiding it so far.

Maybe I'll try winupdate on 98 tonite.

Man I don't know why I'm so obsessed w/ this. I don't even really need to do it anymore because i have a whole stack of Gold cards I bought cheap and only 1 Silver which I messed up after the Airport slot hack bec I ran the WSU on by mistake ... maybe it's just that I have an urge to do whatever I'm not supposed to do...

Quote:

Originally Posted by McHale

Hey Linc, because I love to beat a dead horse...

What version of this did you check? I tried the XP version and it didn't work. I'm assuming you did the same. Did you check or try the 98 version?

Also, is anyone using the OLD drivers that allow promiscuous mode? If so, lemme know so I don't have to install them just to get a file out of it... If we are going to have to patch the drivers, let's at least add this back...

-Mc

peekitty · 04-27-2004

Speaking of dead horses, I wonder if the results of the flashing process would be any different under various versions of DOS (Dr DOS, PC-DOS, etc.) As if there aren't enough varibles already...

lincomatic · 04-27-2004

i don't think the DOS version will matter since it's probably just doing direct port I/O instead of using DOScalls to talk to the controller

Quote:

Originally Posted by peekitty

Speaking of dead horses, I wonder if the results of the flashing process would be any different under various versions of DOS (Dr DOS, PC-DOS, etc.) As if there aren't enough varibles already...

04-27-2004	#175 (permalink)
lincomatic Squaaawk! WiFi! WiFi! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tinsel Town Posts: 1,682	just some more info. i decided to do something really crazy. i downloaded the winupdate utility as described here: http://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/ then installed linksys wpc11 v2.5 drivers and used winupdate to dump the pda and firmware to disk. when i tried to use winupdate to write the pda/firmware back all it did was completely hang my XP system. luckily, the card is still ok. __________________ ~lincomatic

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04-26-2004	#167 (permalink)
McHale approved for all ages... Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: BFE Illinois Posts: 262	no no no no... The PDA contains specific info about your card: MAC SERIAL VENDOR ID 64 or 128 bit wep other useless info... When you run the utility to update your firmware, it yanks all that info from the PDA, plugs it in to the blank/generic FW and flashes it to the card MADLIBS style. Ever notice how the same FW upgrade utility works on any card regardless of country of origin? My 11 channel cards and 13 channel cards use the same utility and end up being the same when they are done. That's because of generic FW and filling in the info from the PDA. When your driver loads your card, it reads from the FW and not the PDA then loads it into memory. You can load a different FW into memory and bypass reading from the card at all if you want to. You just need to get a valid FW file into memory. It doesn't matter where it comes from. You can change just the FW and not the PDA and get the same results. This is how the Apple does it. I have already changed a card from 11 to 14 channels, changed the MAC and serial by editing only the FW and flashing it back. I didn't touch the PDA. The FW between silver/gold/bronze are all identical except specifics about each card that makes them unique. Lincomatic isn't correct. The FW between the cards are not identical for the reasons I explained above. And it's irrelevant anyway. All we need to do is change the FW and not the PDA to get 14 channels and 128 bit WEP. Forget the PDA on the 4.00 cards for now. We're trying to use a tool designed for a completely different chipset. Of course it's not going to work all the time. -Mc

04-27-2004	#179 (permalink)
peekitty Macaca Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S. Florida Posts: 1,056	Speaking of dead horses, I wonder if the results of the flashing process would be any different under various versions of DOS (Dr DOS, PC-DOS, etc.) As if there aren't enough varibles already...