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Old 10-10-2003   #1 (permalink)
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Question Mini-PCI Card Decision

Been browsing the forum for about 2 hours reading and searching but now I must pose a question....

I am looking into an A/B/G card for my Laptop and as my laptop has a Mini-PCI slot with dual internal antennas (Its the Sager 5660/Clevo 5600D/Alienware Area51-M) I thought it would be a waste not to make use of it (plus I would never have to swap it out or worry about it, as I only have 1 PCMCIA slot).

I am currently looking into this card. But I have searched the forums and found no info on it, or on the large comparison tables.

Going from all that, would it be best to get that (or another) internal mini-PCI card, or would it be better to get something else?

Note, I am never going to be going around with big antennas btw.

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The Classic Orinoco Gold Card compes in a Mini-PCI version.
I suggest you stick with something that WILL work & is on
the list of supported cards.

Look on Ebay.. They are a bit hard to find. They may even have
a different Name. Search for Orinoco or Truemobile. All other
cards Mini-PCI or PCMCIA are NOT SUPPORTED.
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..and just in case you haven't seen THIS yet. Just an FYI.
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Does Netstumbler work on the basis of supporting the chipset, or just supporting the specific card? (i.e. If it supports something with the x1 chipset, then it will support anything else with the x1 chipset).

Had no luck trying to locate a Mini-PCI card on eBay at all. Just trying to locate somewhere that sells it now using Google.

Just something slightly off topic that I noticed. I turned up here after noticing the program in the the video "the broken" as I had never heard of Net Stumbler before (Had seen Air Snort and others) but what was strange is that they were using a Linksys PCMCIA card, which, apparently Net Stumbler doesn't support......

Anyway, if anyone knows where to buy one of these it would be appreciated. Any ideas on how the card I first posted compares to the Orinoco in terms of Range and features?

EDIT: Is this Orinoco MPCI Card a/b/g or just B? As I can only find b types on Google, G is a must and A is a preference...

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Hermes chipset, stick with the Orinoco b-card. Works like a champ.
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Hermes chipset, stick with the Orinoco b-card. Works like a champ.
No, really, I need at least G, it's not optional. I take it that the Orinoco mPCI is only B then?

In that case I am either going to have to get a PCMCIA card and have less range, or buy the other mPCI card and forget about Stumbler.

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No matter what card you get, if it is not Hermes based, then forget
about using Netstumbler..
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Re: Mini-PCI Card Decision

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Originally posted by NightShade737
I am looking into an A/B/G card for my Laptop and as my laptop has a Mini-PCI slot with dual internal antennas (Its the Sager 5660/Clevo 5600D/Alienware Area51-M) I thought it would be a waste not to make use of it (plus I would never have to swap it out or worry about it, as I only have 1 PCMCIA slot).

I am currently looking into this card. But I have searched the forums and found no info on it, or on the large comparison tables.

Going from all that, would it be best to get that (or another) internal mini-PCI card, or would it be better to get something else?

The only two A-B-C combo card chipsets that I have seen in mini-PCI form factor have been the Atheros (which is what that acer card you're looking at is) and the Broadcomm (Which is what the Dell TrueMobile 1400 is based around).

I haven't gotten one of the Atheros based cards yet, but they have had good reviews. I used a Dell TrueMobile 1400 for a while, and it worked fairly well. No trouble with it a a wifi hotspot, or in daily use. It worked as well as if not better than a B-only Orinoco card.

To the best of my knowledge, these are your only two choices if you want A-B-G combo cards.

However, if you're going to be running netstumbler, you should probably go with the Classic Gold Orinoco card. If you don't give a flip about Netstumbler, get the Broadcomm or Atheros based cards.

For the Atheros card for $5 cheaper with a real warranty, and without the weird smell of surplus computer hardware, check out www.netgate.com.

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...I turned up here after noticing the program in the the video "the broken"....
I'm not sure that's something you want to admit in public

One more thing to consider when buying off-brand hardware: support, driver/firmware availiblity and updates. For example, you'll probably never see WPA drivers for the Wistron/Acer card you linked to...
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I'm not sure that's something you want to admit in public
It was purely for amusement, no, really. Someone just linked to it in a forum. I just noticed that strange inconsistency.

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One more thing to consider when buying off-brand hardware: support, driver/firmware availiblity and updates. For example, you'll probably never see WPA drivers for the Wistron/Acer card you linked to...
Thats something that I didn't take into consideration.
Though I noticed the cards from the other place noticed use the same drivers, so it seems like you can get away with being a little generic which could work the other way and be a big plus due to wider support......

Wanderer: Do you have any links for these reviews or oppinions on the Atheros card?

NS
(I normally reply to posts immediately btw, it's just it didn't feel necessary to give me a forum notification about the new posts )

EDIT: Ah, I see, NDIS. Now it all becomes clear.

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Ok, right, managed to find the TrueMobile TM1400 for only &50, but I cant find any details on it. Does anyone know if it uses just the 2 antenna plugs or wether it has 4 (or even none).

Would I be right in thinking that this would also be a better path to choose?

EDIT: Ok, maybe not, the card seems to be quite crap.

I think I will go with the other card and live with NDIS or nothing at all.

Cheers,
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Ok, right, managed to find the TrueMobile TM1400 for only &50


Where did you find it?
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Ok, right, managed to find the TrueMobile TM1400 for only &50


Where did you find it?
The land of all that is cheap and (potentially not very) cheerfull: eBay.

That was supposed to be a Pound sign btw, except my laptop has a US keyboard and changing the keymaps round will make 80% of the symbol keys wrong.

But still, judging from the crap range of the Truemobile and the lack of findable info I am vering towards the Atheros chipset model.

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I've been looking on Ebay but can't find anything, any chance of posting a link? Truemobile 1300's are everywhere, and seemingly selling for more than you can buy them from dell uk for!! but 1400's I haven't seen for a few weeks. Ta
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I've been looking on Ebay but can't find anything, any chance of posting a link? Truemobile 1300's are everywhere, and seemingly selling for more than you can buy them from dell uk for!! but 1400's I haven't seen for a few weeks. Ta
Tempted not to as I may want to buy it, but as no-one on here is responding to the other questions, I'm going to buy the other Acer/Wistron one as I can just use the generic firmware and drivers if the worst comes to the worst.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...gory=3708&rd=1

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