More important for stumbling GPS or Antenna?

bufh · 09-23-2002

If you have an Orinoco card; and the price of a GPS unit was the same as the price of a 5dbi antenna, which would be a stumbling priority?

blackwave · 09-23-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by bufh
If you have an Orinoco card; and the price of a GPS unit was the same as the price of a 5dbi antenna, which would be a stumbling priority?

Why in the world would someone stumble if they couldn't log the location of the APs found? For wardriving a GPS is priority over the antenna.

If someone is merely and end user and wanted to use their connection on a constant basis then that is not stumbling that is using... which of course the antenna would have priority.

fregniacciaro · 09-23-2002

get the GPS - you can always make an antenna...

Eyecannon · 09-23-2002

GPS is a more basic need for wardriving like BW says...

subterphuge · 09-23-2002

On the flip-side though, what good's a GPS if you can't detect shit without a decent antenna?

I'd say get a good antenna first. Those 5 dbi omnis can be had for under $100... good luck finding a GPS setup that cheap.

You can use the antenna to at least verify your setup first, as well as jack in to any "public" networks you might find in your neighborhood in the meantime, like Starbucks or something if you're a paying customer and are still drinking that latte while in your car.

Then once you get your GPS, THEN do the official war-drive logging everything with the software you should then be quite familiar with by then, and well as having a good idea of what neighborhoods you're going to want to spend more time in to cover more thoroughly to really nail down the exact coordinates of those APs.

Because even if you get the GPS first, you're going to have to hit the same areas you did over again, because you are going to miss all sorts of shit the first few passes without a good antenna.

damage · 09-23-2002

I'd have to agree with subterphuge.... what's the point in being able to log/map ap's you can't find because you don't have a good enough signal....

user0005 · 09-23-2002

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Originally posted by subterphuge
On the flip-side though, what good's a GPS if you can't detect shit without a decent antenna?

What good is a GPS without the antenna?
If you have a laptop you can use it to be your navigation system for the car, which I think it better than spending $2000-$3000+ for a navigation system on a car

damage · 09-23-2002

Yes true but the question is what is more important for stumbling and agreed the nav system option is great but it doesn't help get better stumbling hits

user0005 · 09-23-2002

he just made it seem like the GPS is so useless I just had to point out one of its benefits

pyrophite · 09-23-2002

strap the unit to the roof of the vehicle, hook up the gps, and ull find plenty of ap's, which u can log w/ your handy gps.

blackwave · 09-23-2002

what are the antenna biased people talking about? I can drive down a street with my iPAQ and ORiNOCO Gold and eTrex Garmin and get hundreds of APs without an antenna... I could understand if you live in the ghetto and NEED to get an AP... but you should be stumbling non-ghetto areas... am I the only one making sense here?

pyrophite · 09-23-2002

i found it makes a hell of a difference, on where the card is located in the car, (if u don't have antenna). I can walk around the block and find 6 or 7. While if its in my car using a laptop rather than a pda, sitting on the seat, id say it cuts down on the range by half. For thoose of you having problems, have some one position it so its level w/ the window. Use thoose knee's, You should be finding plenty. Still no luck, try downtown in the city. ANd bw's right , ghetto neighborhood arn't gonna have many aps around. Go to the nearest country club.

damage · 09-24-2002

BW

not all cards, cars, pc's, pocketpc's, cities etc are created equal.

I find a nearly 100% increase in hit rate using my 5 db omni - I wish I could get hundreds of hits without it.

I have both a gps and an external antenna but I find that without the omni there are not enough detected AP to map with the GPs.

Chicken and egg argument really.

blackwave · 09-24-2002

before I got my antenna I was stumbling just fine, sure when I got with an external I got more, but everyone is making it seem like if you don't have an external you have nothing... that isn't so. (well unless you have a card without an internal antenna like someo of the cisco models)

Eyecannon · 09-24-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by damage
BW

not all cards, cars, pc's, pocketpc's, cities etc are created equal.

I find a nearly 100% increase in hit rate using my 5 db omni - I wish I could get hundreds of hits without it.

I have both a gps and an external antenna but I find that without the omni there are not enough detected AP to map with the GPs.

Chicken and egg argument really.

Wow only 100%? As in double? I'd say a 5dbi antenna is good for 4-5 times as many

View Poll Results: If you could only get one item for stumbling assuming price is the same?
GPS Unit	21	67.74%
5dbi antenna	9	29.03%
different card with stronger signal (if you had an orinoco]	1	3.23%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

09-23-2002	#1 (permalink)
bufh Fallen and wont get up... Join Date: May 2002 Location: SoCal (LA), USA Posts: 34	More important for stumbling GPS or Antenna? If you have an Orinoco card; and the price of a GPS unit was the same as the price of a 5dbi antenna, which would be a stumbling priority?

09-23-2002	#3 (permalink)
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09-23-2002	#4 (permalink)
Eyecannon Ward River Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Santa Monix Posts: 679	GPS is a more basic need for wardriving like BW says... __________________ No, officer, YOU are under arrest! http://eyecannon.com/wardrive.html

09-23-2002	#11 (permalink)
blackwave Do I look like I'm joking Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: SoCal, OC Posts: 4,507	what are the antenna biased people talking about? I can drive down a street with my iPAQ and ORiNOCO Gold and eTrex Garmin and get hundreds of APs without an antenna... I could understand if you live in the ghetto and NEED to get an AP... but you should be stumbling non-ghetto areas... am I the only one making sense here? __________________ -=BW=-

09-23-2002	#5 (permalink)
subterphuge /dev/war Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: On the Road, Where the WEP is Weak and the Signal is Strong Posts: 90	On the flip-side though, what good's a GPS if you can't detect shit without a decent antenna? I'd say get a good antenna first. Those 5 dbi omnis can be had for under $100... good luck finding a GPS setup that cheap. You can use the antenna to at least verify your setup first, as well as jack in to any "public" networks you might find in your neighborhood in the meantime, like Starbucks or something if you're a paying customer and are still drinking that latte while in your car. Then once you get your GPS, THEN do the official war-drive logging everything with the software you should then be quite familiar with by then, and well as having a good idea of what neighborhoods you're going to want to spend more time in to cover more thoroughly to really nail down the exact coordinates of those APs. Because even if you get the GPS first, you're going to have to hit the same areas you did over again, because you are going to miss all sorts of shit the first few passes without a good antenna.

09-23-2002	#6 (permalink)
damage Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 173	I'd have to agree with subterphuge.... what's the point in being able to log/map ap's you can't find because you don't have a good enough signal....

09-23-2002	#8 (permalink)
damage Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 173	Yes true but the question is what is more important for stumbling and agreed the nav system option is great but it doesn't help get better stumbling hits

09-23-2002	#9 (permalink)
user0005 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4	he just made it seem like the GPS is so useless I just had to point out one of its benefits

09-23-2002	#10 (permalink)
pyrophite Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Long Beach Posts: 11	strap the unit to the roof of the vehicle, hook up the gps, and ull find plenty of ap's, which u can log w/ your handy gps.

09-23-2002	#12 (permalink)
pyrophite Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Long Beach Posts: 11	i found it makes a hell of a difference, on where the card is located in the car, (if u don't have antenna). I can walk around the block and find 6 or 7. While if its in my car using a laptop rather than a pda, sitting on the seat, id say it cuts down on the range by half. For thoose of you having problems, have some one position it so its level w/ the window. Use thoose knee's, You should be finding plenty. Still no luck, try downtown in the city. ANd bw's right , ghetto neighborhood arn't gonna have many aps around. Go to the nearest country club.

09-24-2002	#13 (permalink)
damage Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 173	BW not all cards, cars, pc's, pocketpc's, cities etc are created equal. I find a nearly 100% increase in hit rate using my 5 db omni - I wish I could get hundreds of hits without it. I have both a gps and an external antenna but I find that without the omni there are not enough detected AP to map with the GPs. Chicken and egg argument really.

09-24-2002	#14 (permalink)
blackwave Do I look like I'm joking Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: SoCal, OC Posts: 4,507	before I got my antenna I was stumbling just fine, sure when I got with an external I got more, but everyone is making it seem like if you don't have an external you have nothing... that isn't so. (well unless you have a card without an internal antenna like someo of the cisco models) __________________ -=BW=-

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