most powerfull prism2 card? (mw)

04-01-2002

Anyone konw if all the prism2 based cards on the market currently have the same power wattage or is there any one that is a bit better/more powerfull in a miliwatt rating than others?

Anyone know of a way to mod a zoomair card with external antenna access to up its power with out including an external amplifer? >

Basically looking for somthing that is as powerfull as the cisco cards, 100mw, but for prism2 with external antenna access at the same time.

(i know i know, im asking for alot!)

hehehe

thanks

04-02-2002

http://www.demarctech.com/products/relia-wave-100mw-pcmcia-card.html

04-07-2002

You can get a 200mW Prism PCMCIA card with two MMCX connectors from MikroTik www.mikrotik.com

The RouterOS software offers a Prism client and AP with extensive features such as VPNs, PPPoE AC, PPPoE client and much more....OSPF, RIP, BGP...

04-09-2002

i've had bad luck with d-link cards, especially as hosts. linksys and actiontec seemed to be good, sometimes more than twice as good as d-link. of course, none are as good as oricnoco, but nobody doubts that. =)

Networker · 04-18-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by ben
http://www.demarctech.com/products/relia-wave-100mw-pcmcia-card.html

This card has excellent receive sensitivity but like Cisco 350 series (100mW) they are a bit pricey.

D-link has a new 100mW card DWL-650H which is based on Symbol Technologies (mac address verification from the manual). I've not used one but it looks like it has pretty decent receive sensitivity (not like DWL-650 crap) as well as power.

kithylin · 05-11-2004

UPDATE: Card changed

This company has changed the products to offer a new card, that they claim is 300mW, the url is below, which has also changed:

http://www.demarctech.com/products/r...mcia-card.html

Eyecannon · 05-11-2004

I have a 200mW Senao... I've never seen that 300mW one before.

The Others · 05-11-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by kithylin

UPDATE: Card changed

This company has changed the products to offer a new card, that they claim is 300mW, the url is below, which has also changed:

http://www.demarctech.com/products/r...mcia-card.html

Yeah, I was looking at them yesterday. 300mw is the most powerful I've seen.

"not for laptop use" apparently. I'm not surprised, I think this is most useful for cooking your leg and "soft tissues".

kithylin · 05-11-2004

I don't have the $$$ right now, else i'd order one and test it for everyone. However i most likely will have the money (and plan to get this card) around the begining of july. If anyone else tests this before i get to, let us know your results with the new netstumbler please ?

Possible ideas: this card (already at 24.5dbi output) + 2 200mW/300mW powered amplifed antennas, possible 73.5dbi wardriving setup ?

G8tK33per · 05-11-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Others

Yeah, I was looking at them yesterday. 300mw is the most powerful I've seen.

"not for laptop use" apparently. I'm not surprised, I think this is most useful for cooking your leg and "soft tissues".

A virtual weenie roast, one could say.

The Others · 05-11-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by G8tK33per

A virtual weenie roast, one could say.

Precisely, and given that these cards have ten times the transmit power of my AP, it's probably not worth it.

I think these are for FCC rule busters, trouser ball flusters and point to point General Custers.

I'm presently using a 50mw 350 and can feel my eyes burning. Thank god for the tighter UK rules!

kithylin · 05-11-2004

the url posted shows various FCC certifications that this card meets, as well as that it got a fcc grant too..... Looks legal. While it may say "not for laptop use", i bet it would still work anyway, wonder if NS will work with it.. ^,^

The Others · 05-11-2004

Yeah, it will work in a laptop, it's just a PCMCIA card. And yeah, it's legal in it's present state. Will it be legal if you add two amps and huge antennas to it though? And it probably will work with NS.

An orinoco classic and magmount may work better, however. As I said above, this card is ten times more powerful then my access point. My AP will recieve a request from NS but will never have the power to reply.

Thorn · 05-11-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by kithylin

Possible ideas: this card (already at 24.5dbi output) + 2 200mW/300mW powered amplifed antennas, possible 73.5dbi wardriving setup ?

First of all, most amplifiers sold for Part 15 use contain internal regulators which are limited to the rated output, no matter what the input level is to the unit. This keeps people who don't know about RF from causing too much damage.

Secondly, that kind of output would be clearly illegal. Under FCC/Can regulations for 802.11 the maximum legal Point-to-Multi-Point (omni) use is 36dBm and Point-to-Point (directional) use is 48dBm*. Under most other regulatory bodies it's even lower.

Finally, 73.5dBm = 35,000 watts ERP, way past what microwave ovens put out (the typical microwave is 500W to 1kW). It's doubtful that such power loads could be sustained which causing some major equipment failures. I suspect that if you were ever able to actually cobble together such a rig, it would be about the last thing you'd see. At the very least you could kiss your eyeballs and gonads goodbye.

If you have a desire to use higher powered equipment, you should consider getting your Amateur license and learn what is possble, what is not possible, and what could be dangerous to youself and other people. Dave Anderson (KG4YZY) of Fab-Corp has a good page summarizing the Amateur limits here:
http://www.fab-corp.com/db.htm

*In theory you can go to a higher power level PtP, if you can find a higher gain antenna. However, but it's typically hard to find one over 24dBi.

Eyecannon · 05-11-2004

I'll throw in another vote for "It's not going to work any better than a 200mW card or for that matter a 30mW card"... because the receive sensitivity for any power card is going to be around the same. Sure, you'll be able to transmit NS beacon frames at high power, but it doesn't mean you'll be able to hear the response any better.

04-01-2002	#1 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	most powerfull prism2 card? (mw) Anyone konw if all the prism2 based cards on the market currently have the same power wattage or is there any one that is a bit better/more powerfull in a miliwatt rating than others? Anyone know of a way to mod a zoomair card with external antenna access to up its power with out including an external amplifer? > Basically looking for somthing that is as powerfull as the cisco cards, 100mw, but for prism2 with external antenna access at the same time. (i know i know, im asking for alot!) hehehe thanks

04-07-2002	#3 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	200mW Prism PCMCIA card You can get a 200mW Prism PCMCIA card with two MMCX connectors from MikroTik www.mikrotik.com The RouterOS software offers a Prism client and AP with extensive features such as VPNs, PPPoE AC, PPPoE client and much more....OSPF, RIP, BGP...

05-11-2004	#7 (permalink)
Eyecannon Ward River Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Santa Monix Posts: 679	I have a 200mW Senao... I've never seen that 300mW one before. __________________ No, officer, YOU are under arrest! http://eyecannon.com/wardrive.html

05-11-2004	#13 (permalink)
The Others PeaceDriver Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Dos Palabras, Mandoras Posts: 2,920	Yeah, it will work in a laptop, it's just a PCMCIA card. And yeah, it's legal in it's present state. Will it be legal if you add two amps and huge antennas to it though? And it probably will work with NS. An orinoco classic and magmount may work better, however. As I said above, this card is ten times more powerful then my access point. My AP will recieve a request from NS but will never have the power to reply. __________________ all good ends all ?u=273

05-11-2004	#15 (permalink)
Eyecannon Ward River Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Santa Monix Posts: 679	I'll throw in another vote for "It's not going to work any better than a 200mW card or for that matter a 30mW card"... because the receive sensitivity for any power card is going to be around the same. Sure, you'll be able to transmit NS beacon frames at high power, but it doesn't mean you'll be able to hear the response any better. __________________ No, officer, YOU are under arrest! http://eyecannon.com/wardrive.html

04-02-2002	#2 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	http://www.demarctech.com/products/relia-wave-100mw-pcmcia-card.html

04-09-2002	#4 (permalink)
Posts: n/a	i've had bad luck with d-link cards, especially as hosts. linksys and actiontec seemed to be good, sometimes more than twice as good as d-link. of course, none are as good as oricnoco, but nobody doubts that. =)

05-11-2004	#6 (permalink)
kithylin Most Curious Fox Ever Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Tapestries Furry MUCK Posts: 22	UPDATE: Card changed This company has changed the products to offer a new card, that they claim is 300mW, the url is below, which has also changed: http://www.demarctech.com/products/r...mcia-card.html

05-11-2004	#9 (permalink)
kithylin Most Curious Fox Ever Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Tapestries Furry MUCK Posts: 22	I don't have the $$$ right now, else i'd order one and test it for everyone. However i most likely will have the money (and plan to get this card) around the begining of july. If anyone else tests this before i get to, let us know your results with the new netstumbler please ? Possible ideas: this card (already at 24.5dbi output) + 2 200mW/300mW powered amplifed antennas, possible 73.5dbi wardriving setup ?

05-11-2004	#12 (permalink)
kithylin Most Curious Fox Ever Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Tapestries Furry MUCK Posts: 22	the url posted shows various FCC certifications that this card meets, as well as that it got a fcc grant too..... Looks legal. While it may say "not for laptop use", i bet it would still work anyway, wonder if NS will work with it.. ^,^

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