Need a REAL hub

breeze-04 · 02-25-2004

I am trying to sniff my own LAN but need to place a HUB in between router and modem. I would think they would be cheap but how do you know its a hub not a switch?
My linksys (old one) says its a hub EZHUB04 but commview says they are usually switches.

My other question is how to hook up something like this and do I need cross over cable?

Thanks

gmiller220 · 02-25-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by breeze-04
I am trying to sniff my own LAN but need to place a HUB in between router and modem. I would think they would be cheap but how do you know its a hub not a switch?
My linksys (old one) says its a hub EZHUB04 but commview says they are usually switches.

My other question is how to hook up something like this and do I need cross over cable?

Thanks

Just use your wireless client to sniff your lan

Thorn · 02-25-2004

These are beginning networking question, and have nothing to do with wireless networking. Search on "Networking 101" or look at someplace like practiallynetworked.com.

breeze-04 · 02-25-2004

I read on this forum for over an hour searching for my answer. For some reason I figured people here would know what I am trying to do and not to tell me thats 101 stuff. If you don't know the answer than just don't reply.

I am just trying to protect my network from hackers and figured most of the people here want to do the same.

peekitty · 02-25-2004

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Originally posted by breeze-04
I read on this forum for over an hour searching for my answer.

That's because you're in the wrong forum for that. Try Networking 101 as suggested.

Madhadder · 02-25-2004

Look on Ebay for a 10 or 100mb hub.

You can tell the difference cause hubs can't change their speed (usually)
switches can. Hubs are also alot cheaper then Switches.

So look for something that say on 10 or 100mb but not 10/100

Of course you can always use a Cisco Switch and turn on the
SPAN port monitoring.

Thorn · 02-25-2004

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Originally posted by breeze-04
I read on this forum for over an hour searching for my answer. For some reason I figured people here would know what I am trying to do and not to tell me thats 101 stuff. If you don't know the answer than just don't reply. ...

I do know the answer and gave you appropriate information. However, if you are not bright enough to recognize that that those questions have nothing to do with wireless, then I suppose you can't be expected to realize that you had the needed answers in front of you. Searching on "Networking 101" will give you a list of resources. Going to someplace such as practiallynetworked.com will give you detailed answers more in line with the nature of your questions.

Quote:

Originally posted by breeze-04
... I am just trying to protect my network from hackers and figured most of the people here want to do the same.

You use of the word "hackers" in that way is insulting, and apt to draw the ire of the members here. We are interested in keeping out criminals, but most here would call themselves hackers.

breeze-04 · 02-25-2004

Madhadder, that will help in my search. If I could plunk out 300 for commview wifi this would not be a problem but I am using the hard wire version which can't see all on a switched LAN.

As for where to post, I tried to figure that out, really i did. Looked all over this site trying to get it right because I know how pissed people get when things are in the wrong place.

Thanks all

King_Ice_Flash · 02-25-2004

Just FYI, if you are connecting a two switches or hubs together, you need to use a cross-over cable unless you are using an uplink link port. This makes a straight cable a cross-over for you.

Madhadder · 02-25-2004

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Originally posted by breeze-04
Madhadder, that will help in my search. If I could plunk out 300 for commview wifi this would not be a problem but I am using the hard wire version which can't see all on a switched LAN.

As for where to post, I tried to figure that out, really i did. Looked all over this site trying to get it right because I know how pissed people get when things are in the wrong place.

Thanks all

OK here's some more Info.

Use a hub, like you mentioned above
Install a remote packet capture prog. on all your PC's and capture
all the traffice that way. The most popular is Fluke Network Inspector.
but there are a few others.

breeze-04 · 02-25-2004

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Originally posted by Thorn
I do know the answer and gave you appropriate information. However, if you are not bright enough to recognize that that those questions have nothing to do with wireless, then I suppose you can't be expected to realize that you had the needed answers in front of you. Searching on "Networking 101" will give you a list of resources. Going to someplace such as practiallynetworked.com will give you detailed answers more in line with the nature of your questions.

You use of the word "hackers" in that way is insulting, and apt to draw the ire of the members here. We are interested in keeping out criminals, but most here would call themselves hackers.

My question does have to do with wireless. The people I want to catch are using wifi to connect to my AP. As for them just checking for access points I have no problem. After all I find that a very fun thing to do.

I have used net stumbler for a long time, even bought a gps and nic to do it better.

Hackers, well sorry about that. Guess I should have said solicitors but hackers was easier to type out.

By the way if you were to ask a question in my forum I am about 90% sure you would get a nice reply.

Thanks all for the help.

wrzwaldo · 02-25-2004

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Originally posted by breeze-04
My question does have to do with wireless. The people I want to catch are using wifi to connect to my AP. As for them just checking for access points I have no problem. After all I find that a very fun thing to do.

I have used net stumbler for a long time, even bought a gps and nic to do it better.

Hackers, well sorry about that. Guess I should have said solicitors but hackers was easier to type out.

By the way if you were to ask a question in my forum I am about 90% sure you would get a nice reply.

Thanks all for the help.

And you need a hub to? Have you tried AirSnare? Do you really understand what you are trying to do?

Your forum being? And only 90% sure?

Madhadder · 02-25-2004

Well, if you are wanting to sniff the Wireless traffic, then use
a wireless sniffer like AiroPeek or NAI sniffer Pro. All Avail. at your
friendly neighborhood P2P network.

Of course you will need a supported Wifi Card... (Cisco or Lucent)
are the better 2.

breeze-04 · 02-25-2004

Not airsnare only commview wired. It has caught some wireless access but I think its only by accident, maybe they turned off modem and pc went out looking for another connection.

Still I want to see what people are doing in my lan, wireless or otherwise.

I just thought a hub would be cheap but maybe not easy to find so I asked here.

breeze-04 · 02-25-2004

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Originally posted by wrzwaldo
And you need a hub to? Have you tried AirSnare? Do you really understand what you are trying to do?

Your forum being? And only 90% sure?

I want to see what people are doing in my wires and space. Sure I could cut them off but what fun is that.

Commview says I have to have: modem > hub > router/switch to see all segments on my side. If there is a cheaper wifi sniffer than CV than I would go that route but really I am only interested in my space.

02-25-2004	#1 (permalink)
breeze-04 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 16	Need a REAL hub I am trying to sniff my own LAN but need to place a HUB in between router and modem. I would think they would be cheap but how do you know its a hub not a switch? My linksys (old one) says its a hub EZHUB04 but commview says they are usually switches. My other question is how to hook up something like this and do I need cross over cable? Thanks

02-25-2004	#3 (permalink)
Thorn Did you do the math? Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Villa Straylight Posts: 10,358	These are beginning networking question, and have nothing to do with wireless networking. Search on "Networking 101" or look at someplace like practiallynetworked.com. __________________ Thorn "Read Altas Shrugged. Compare it to today. Repeat as necessary"

02-25-2004	#4 (permalink)
breeze-04 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 16	Well I read on this forum for over an hour searching for my answer. For some reason I figured people here would know what I am trying to do and not to tell me thats 101 stuff. If you don't know the answer than just don't reply. I am just trying to protect my network from hackers and figured most of the people here want to do the same.

02-25-2004	#6 (permalink)
Madhadder General "Noob Basher" Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 1,620	Look on Ebay for a 10 or 100mb hub. You can tell the difference cause hubs can't change their speed (usually) switches can. Hubs are also alot cheaper then Switches. So look for something that say on 10 or 100mb but not 10/100 Of course you can always use a Cisco Switch and turn on the SPAN port monitoring. __________________ Legends may sleep, but they never die!!!! Last edited by Madhadder : 02-26-2004 at 05:53 AM.

02-25-2004	#8 (permalink)
breeze-04 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 16	Thanks Madhadder, that will help in my search. If I could plunk out 300 for commview wifi this would not be a problem but I am using the hard wire version which can't see all on a switched LAN. As for where to post, I tried to figure that out, really i did. Looked all over this site trying to get it right because I know how pissed people get when things are in the wrong place. Thanks all

02-25-2004	#9 (permalink)
King_Ice_Flash Alien Paranoid Stumbler Join Date: May 2003 Location: WI Posts: 2,688	Just FYI, if you are connecting a two switches or hubs together, you need to use a cross-over cable unless you are using an uplink link port. This makes a straight cable a cross-over for you. __________________ "Yeah," said a voice from under the table, "you go to pieces so fast people get hit by the shrapnel."

02-25-2004	#13 (permalink)
Madhadder General "Noob Basher" Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 1,620	Well, if you are wanting to sniff the Wireless traffic, then use a wireless sniffer like AiroPeek or NAI sniffer Pro. All Avail. at your friendly neighborhood P2P network. Of course you will need a supported Wifi Card... (Cisco or Lucent) are the better 2. __________________ Legends may sleep, but they never die!!!!

02-25-2004	#14 (permalink)
breeze-04 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 16	wrzwaldo Not airsnare only commview wired. It has caught some wireless access but I think its only by accident, maybe they turned off modem and pc went out looking for another connection. Still I want to see what people are doing in my lan, wireless or otherwise. I just thought a hub would be cheap but maybe not easy to find so I asked here.

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