Neighbor to Neighbor Link

eviltoaster · 04-22-2005

Both me and my next door neighbor have broadband, and a wireless router (both wrt54gs) and I want to link our two networks together, via cat5 or wireless ethernet bridge, so that we can share files, play lan games, etc.

No WDS: I'm currently running dd-wrt firmware v22 prefinal4, and have tried WDS multiple times and googled forever but it doesn't work. I'm giving up on WDS

Plan: have one router 192.168.1.1 and the other 192.168.2.1, and string a cat5 cable from router to router. Both have their own internet connection, so I'll have to plug the cable in on of the LAN ports. I'm essensially bridging 2 self contained networks.

Test Setup: Before I actually install this between me and my neighbor, I'm testing it with two spare wrt54gs routers i have (thank you ebay!), both loaded with dd-wrt firmware. I have the ip addresses setup like that of my PLAN, and a straighthrough cable going into each router's LAN1 port.

Problems: Both of the routers are on different subnets, how can I get them to recognise eachother? If I set the routers to RIP2, pc's can't access the internet. what should i do????

If i can get this working, another thing i'd like to do is a captive portal to a website. This firmware shows it supports this, but I don't know how to work it.

Please help!!! Thanks in advace!

streaker69 · 04-22-2005

Networking 101

Scruge · 04-22-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by eviltoaster

Please help!!! Thanks in advace!

http://forums.practicallynetworked.c...&threadid=1736

Starpoint · 04-22-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by eviltoaster

Both me and my next door neighbor have broadband, and a wireless router (both wrt54gs) and I want to link our two networks together, via cat5 or wireless ethernet bridge, so that we can share files, play lan games, etc.

No WDS: I'm currently running dd-wrt firmware v22 prefinal4, and have tried WDS multiple times and googled forever but it doesn't work. I'm giving up on WDS

Plan: have one router 192.168.1.1 and the other 192.168.2.1, and string a cat5 cable from router to router. Both have their own internet connection, so I'll have to plug the cable in on of the LAN ports. I'm essensially bridging 2 self contained networks.

Test Setup: Before I actually install this between me and my neighbor, I'm testing it with two spare wrt54gs routers i have (thank you ebay!), both loaded with dd-wrt firmware. I have the ip addresses setup like that of my PLAN, and a straighthrough cable going into each router's LAN1 port.

Problems: Both of the routers are on different subnets, how can I get them to recognise eachother? If I set the routers to RIP2, pc's can't access the internet. what should i do????

If i can get this working, another thing i'd like to do is a captive portal to a website. This firmware shows it supports this, but I don't know how to work it.

Please help!!! Thanks in advace!

it sounds like you want to do a load balancing act.. 2 uplinks, 1 at one house, the other at yours.... but both houses able to use the combined up and down pipes. What you need is a Multi-WAN device..

I had one but gave it to a cousin who is doing what you are wanting to do (and do not ask me to get in touch with him for this info, you learn the way he and I did.. READ and experiement) He has tied 4 cable modems and 2 DSL's together (the box supports 8 WAN devices) then they are all funneled into 1 LAN jack, to which a switch is plugged in and the CAT5 is run back to the houses.. the modems all sit at their respective houses so one color cat5 goes from them to this device, and another goes from the switch it feeds back.

streaker69 · 04-22-2005

You got load balancing out of that? Sounds to me as though they just wanna link each other's network together to play games, etc.

I think his basic problem is he has the incorrect subnet mask on his networks. That's why I directed him to the Networking 101 thread.

wrzwaldo · 04-22-2005

@ Starpoint

Quote:

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so that we can share files, play lan games, etc.
...

Plan: have one router 192.168.1.1 and the other 192.168.2.1, and string a cat5 cable from router to router. Both have their own internet connection, so I'll have to plug the cable in on of the LAN ports. I'm essensially bridging 2 self contained networks.

No load balancing required for gaming and sharing files.

Starpoint · 04-22-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrzwaldo

@ Starpoint

No load balancing required for gaming and sharing files.

true,
however, if they look at the configurations of the routers.. you can put both of them on the same class C...

and they will not bother each other.

anyone wanna speculate?

I know the answer and will wait a while before I post

wrzwaldo · 04-22-2005

The answer to what?

This...

Quote:

Problems: Both of the routers are on different subnets, how can I get them to recognise eachother? If I set the routers to RIP2, pc's can't access the internet. what should i do????

???

I think that's why streaker pointed him to networking 101. It really has nothing to do with wireless but it does involve basic networking.

17hz · 04-23-2005

You can't have two subnets without a router at both ends... you'd need to tell Network A to use Network B's router to get to network B, and Network A's internet connection as the default gateway; any vice versa...

The easiest way i can think of to solve your problem fast and cheap is this. Put both networks on the same subnet - but don't use DHCP on the network, configure your IP addresses manually. to avoid confussion one neibor can use the first 128 addresses, and the other the top 128 addresses.. Next, configure all machiens with the same subnet mask. Next - for all computers on network A, use a default gateway of that house's internet router.; and for network B, a default gateway of that house's internet router.

this would have to be a trusted scenerio, because the only ting stopping you from using your neibors internet connection is changing your default gateway.

the reason why you can't use DHCP is that all computers would be configure with the same default gateway, and go out the DHCP servers internet connectoin.. you can't have more than on DHCP server for the same subnet...

this isn't the *best* way to do this, the best way would to install a router or a comptuer with routing services at each end of the link, to address traffic approriatly to the interent - or to the neibors house... however this process is somewhat complex; and also more expensive.

17hz

eviltoaster · 04-23-2005

Thanks for all of your help guys

I'm not a total newb when it comes to networking, I've been doing it for a couple of years.

The hacked fix of putting them both on the same subnet would work, but I don't want to do that yet. I really want to know how to set it up with 2 subnets.

RIP2 IS capable of handling this, and I know it can be done, I just don't know how to set things up with the router

Load ballancing and multi WAN sounds pretty accurate, and I know of some people doing multi WAN with the openwrt firmware. I'll have to do some more googling with that.

Silly idea: could i attach a switch to the WAN port?.......
(I think i'll test that)

Clairification: When i go to setup>advanced routing and change the operating mode from "gateway" to "RIP2 router", PCs connected to that router can no longer access the internet. Don't know why, this is one of those linksys router things i guess.

Starpoint · 04-23-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by eviltoaster

Thanks for all of your help guys

I'm not a total newb when it comes to networking, I've been doing it for a couple of years.

The hacked fix of putting them both on the same subnet would work, but I don't want to do that yet. I really want to know how to set it up with 2 subnets.

RIP2 IS capable of handling this, and I know it can be done, I just don't know how to set things up with the router

Load ballancing and multi WAN sounds pretty accurate, and I know of some people doing multi WAN with the openwrt firmware. I'll have to do some more googling with that.

Silly idea: could i attach a switch to the WAN port?.......
(I think i'll test that)

Clairification: When i go to setup>advanced routing and change the operating mode from "gateway" to "RIP2 router", PCs connected to that router can no longer access the internet. Don't know why, this is one of those linksys router things i guess.

Try this idea.... turn off DHCP on each one, static IP your PC's all on the same subnet then set the routers to an IP within that subnet .

EX: router 1 is 192.168.1.1 router 2 is 192.168.1.200
all the PC's are Ip'ed btween the 2 AND as an added bonus you can list more than 1 IP as a gateway.

I think you will have to leave them set as GATEWAY mode for this set up.

but I could be wrong

Scruge · 04-23-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by eviltoaster

Thanks for all of your help guys

I'm not a total newb when it comes to networking, I've been doing it for a couple of years.

The hacked fix of putting them both on the same subnet would work, but I don't want to do that yet. I really want to know how to set it up with 2 subnets.

RIP2 IS capable of handling this, and I know it can be done, I just don't know how to set things up with the router

Load ballancing and multi WAN sounds pretty accurate, and I know of some people doing multi WAN with the openwrt firmware. I'll have to do some more googling with that.

Silly idea: could i attach a switch to the WAN port?.......
(I think i'll test that)

Clairification: When i go to setup>advanced routing and change the operating mode from "gateway" to "RIP2 router", PCs connected to that router can no longer access the internet. Don't know why, this is one of those linksys router things i guess.

Did you try reading the link i provided earlier? There is a guy who provides a link to configure 2 subnets using special software. Also depends on whether the routers are in parallel or series. I personally did all that you are attempting nearly two years ago.. Read the thread.
http://forums.practicallynetworked....=&threadid=1736

eviltoaster · 04-23-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scruge

Did you try reading the link i provided earlier? There is a guy who provides a link to configure 2 subnets using special software. Also depends on whether the routers are in parallel or series. I personally did all that you are attempting nearly two years ago.. Read the thread.
http://forums.practicallynetworked....=&threadid=1736

VNC isn't what i need. What it boils down to is that I need a way to bridge these routers. My mistake: i don't need load ballancing, i'm not using both internet connections. I have yet to test the wan port on a switch idea, i'll give an update when I do.

Scruge · 04-24-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by eviltoaster

VNC isn't what i need. What it boils down to is that I need a way to bridge these routers. My mistake: i don't need load ballancing, i'm not using both internet connections. I have yet to test the wan port on a switch idea, i'll give an update when I do.

Ok, if you don't need vnc which means you don't need to run on separate subnets, then assign both routers to the same subnet, give each its own unique gateway IP and then connect them to each other. Doing so by connecting the uplink port of one router to a client side port on the other, using a standard patch cable. If they are 4 port routers, you should be left with 3 open ports on each to connect your wired clients into.
If you don't have a means to run a cable from neighbors to yours then use a wifi network bridge.
Because you're using Linksht routers I have very little confidence in you having any success. I discovered on the Linksht wired routers disabling DHCP did very little. Although it quit assigning IPs it continued to broadcast dns and gateway info which screwed the assignments made by the other router.
You'll be better off starting both networks with the dhcp service off on both routers and fixate all your client IPs. Because things will be real confusing at first use a generic dns address in your clients tcp/ip settings. There's a bunch listed in another thread (?? 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 come to mind).. one other tip, once you're able to connect to internet use whatsmyip.com to verify which gateway you're connecting through. Once you are satisfied all is working you can then attempt to turn on the dhcp service of one router only.

good luck

04-22-2005	#1 (permalink)
eviltoaster Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19	Neighbor to Neighbor Link Both me and my next door neighbor have broadband, and a wireless router (both wrt54gs) and I want to link our two networks together, via cat5 or wireless ethernet bridge, so that we can share files, play lan games, etc. No WDS: I'm currently running dd-wrt firmware v22 prefinal4, and have tried WDS multiple times and googled forever but it doesn't work. I'm giving up on WDS Plan: have one router 192.168.1.1 and the other 192.168.2.1, and string a cat5 cable from router to router. Both have their own internet connection, so I'll have to plug the cable in on of the LAN ports. I'm essensially bridging 2 self contained networks. Test Setup: Before I actually install this between me and my neighbor, I'm testing it with two spare wrt54gs routers i have (thank you ebay!), both loaded with dd-wrt firmware. I have the ip addresses setup like that of my PLAN, and a straighthrough cable going into each router's LAN1 port. Problems: Both of the routers are on different subnets, how can I get them to recognise eachother? If I set the routers to RIP2, pc's can't access the internet. what should i do???? If i can get this working, another thing i'd like to do is a captive portal to a website. This firmware shows it supports this, but I don't know how to work it. Please help!!! Thanks in advace!

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streaker69 Psychic Amish Stumbler Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginville, BlueBall, Bird In Hand, Intercourse, Paradise, PA Posts: 12,240	You got load balancing out of that? Sounds to me as though they just wanna link each other's network together to play games, etc. I think his basic problem is he has the incorrect subnet mask on his networks. That's why I directed him to the Networking 101 thread. __________________ Treat your gun like your genitals, only whip it out when it's absolutely necessary.

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04-23-2005	#9 (permalink)
17hz Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13	You can't have two subnets without a router at both ends... you'd need to tell Network A to use Network B's router to get to network B, and Network A's internet connection as the default gateway; any vice versa... The easiest way i can think of to solve your problem fast and cheap is this. Put both networks on the same subnet - but don't use DHCP on the network, configure your IP addresses manually. to avoid confussion one neibor can use the first 128 addresses, and the other the top 128 addresses.. Next, configure all machiens with the same subnet mask. Next - for all computers on network A, use a default gateway of that house's internet router.; and for network B, a default gateway of that house's internet router. this would have to be a trusted scenerio, because the only ting stopping you from using your neibors internet connection is changing your default gateway. the reason why you can't use DHCP is that all computers would be configure with the same default gateway, and go out the DHCP servers internet connectoin.. you can't have more than on DHCP server for the same subnet... this isn't the best way to do this, the best way would to install a router or a comptuer with routing services at each end of the link, to address traffic approriatly to the interent - or to the neibors house... however this process is somewhat complex; and also more expensive. 17hz

04-23-2005	#10 (permalink)
eviltoaster Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 19	Thanks for all of your help guys I'm not a total newb when it comes to networking, I've been doing it for a couple of years. The hacked fix of putting them both on the same subnet would work, but I don't want to do that yet. I really want to know how to set it up with 2 subnets. RIP2 IS capable of handling this, and I know it can be done, I just don't know how to set things up with the router Load ballancing and multi WAN sounds pretty accurate, and I know of some people doing multi WAN with the openwrt firmware. I'll have to do some more googling with that. Silly idea: could i attach a switch to the WAN port?....... (I think i'll test that) Clairification: When i go to setup>advanced routing and change the operating mode from "gateway" to "RIP2 router", PCs connected to that router can no longer access the internet. Don't know why, this is one of those linksys router things i guess.