new setup help!

panda · 09-12-2005

I need to setup a small wireless network, but I need help on the exact parts. I emailed fab-corp.com, but I haven't yet heard back and I'm kind of anxious.

I need a WAP (i'm looking at the AP600) that can use an external antenna to spread wireless about 300ft. or so outdoors to some cameras. I'm not sure about all the pig tails and such, so any help with that would be great. I have pics if that would help. The setup would be mounted in a waterproof box on the roof of the one story building, and need to go about 300 feet to another one story building while also providing access to the building it is attached to (laptops). Hope that makes sense.

Thanks for any assistance you can give!

streaker69 · 09-12-2005

Check out the project Linksys Weatherproof Enclosures over on ChurchOfWifi for a way to mount gear in a weatherproof enclosure. Granted, it's not the same gear, but it might help you out in that aspect of your project.

wiresalot · 09-12-2005

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Check out the project Linksys Weatherproof Enclosures over on ChurchOfWifi for a way to mount gear in a weatherproof enclosure. Granted, it's not the same gear, but it might help you out in that aspect of your project.

A nice CARLON box, with the ruber "o" ring gasket they work well with wifi equipment, Do not for get the silcon packettes and breathing holes.

panda · 09-13-2005

Great, thanks guys!

Any ideas on the hardware? I'm thinking of going with a Cisco 1200 series AP and a 12db omni, but I'm not sure if the hardware will all fit together. Thoughts?

streaker69 · 09-13-2005

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Originally Posted by panda

Great, thanks guys!

Any ideas on the hardware? I'm thinking of going with a Cisco 1200 series AP and a 12db omni, but I'm not sure if the hardware will all fit together. Thoughts?

Before you start picking out hardware you need to define your goals. We can't suggest anything unless you tell us what you're attempting to do. You say a small network, but small is a subjective term. How much area are you attempting to cover, are there going to be multiple AP's? Have you ever attempted anything like this before?

panda · 09-13-2005

All very good questions!

The main goal is to connect some remote cameras and to allow laptop connectivity. Eight nodes MAX on any given day. Far cameras are about 200 feet away outdoors.

I think we've decided on a Cisco 1200 AP in a weather proof box, mounted on a pole up high on top of building one. A 12db omni will connect to it to give the range needed. The customer wants to go with non outdoor cameras and try them outdoors.

The customer is always right!

streaker69 · 09-13-2005

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Originally Posted by panda

All very good questions!

The main goal is to connect some remote cameras and to allow laptop connectivity. Eight nodes MAX on any given day. Far cameras are about 200 feet away outdoors.

I think we've decided on a Cisco 1200 AP in a weather proof box, mounted on a pole up high on top of building one. A 12db omni will connect to it to give the range needed. The customer wants to go with non outdoor cameras and try them outdoors.

The customer is always right!

The customer is an idiot. Cameras that are not designed for an exterior environment will not last more than a couple of months if you get that long.

The customer is not always right, you as the consultant, it's your responsibility to point out to them that they're wrong in a tactful manner. It is better for them to spend a little more money now up front to get the correct gear than the money down the road trying to replace dead stuff.

MikeP928 · 09-13-2005

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Originally Posted by streaker69

The customer is an idiot. Cameras that are not designed for an exterior environment will not last more than a couple of months if you get that long.

The customer is not always right, you as the consultant, it's your responsibility to point out to them that they're wrong in a tactful manner. It is better for them to spend a little more money now up front to get the correct gear than the money down the road trying to replace dead stuff.

I went through that this spring. The customer would not go for the vandal-proof cameras in high traffic areas. So I told him to remember the conversation and I would be happy to replace them on a T&M basis. Well the cameras have held up, but the security guys can walk by and re-aim them without looking up. They have about worn out the mounts. I did have to move all excess cable and connectors into sealed boxes.

We are going to add more cameras this fall. The customer has agreed to replace the problem cameras with vandal-proofs and move those cameras to low traffic areas.

So tell the customer he is going to have a problem. And charge him full rate everytime you have to go back and work on them.

MikeP

panda · 09-14-2005

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Originally Posted by streaker69

The customer is an idiot. Cameras that are not designed for an exterior environment will not last more than a couple of months if you get that long.

The customer is not always right, you as the consultant, it's your responsibility to point out to them that they're wrong in a tactful manner. It is better for them to spend a little more money now up front to get the correct gear than the money down the road trying to replace dead stuff.

I agree. But after I've done that (which I have), it's their decision. I can't make them buy the right part.

Starpoint · 09-14-2005

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Originally Posted by panda

I agree. But after I've done that (which I have), it's their decision. I can't make them buy the right part.

No bbut what you can do is have them sign a document stating that you recommended part X and they choose part Y. Have them sign and date it. Give them a copy.

This way when you go back to them and they request to have the old junk (part Y) replaced with new (part X) you can show them that you recommended that originally. Again charge FULL price on all work.

panda · 09-17-2005

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Originally Posted by Starpoint

No bbut what you can do is have them sign a document stating that you recommended part X and they choose part Y. Have them sign and date it. Give them a copy.

This way when you go back to them and they request to have the old junk (part Y) replaced with new (part X) you can show them that you recommended that originally. Again charge FULL price on all work.

Always do! Anyone who does it differently than this needs to rethink their operations!

09-12-2005	#1 (permalink)
panda Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: SC Posts: 34	new setup help! I need to setup a small wireless network, but I need help on the exact parts. I emailed fab-corp.com, but I haven't yet heard back and I'm kind of anxious. I need a WAP (i'm looking at the AP600) that can use an external antenna to spread wireless about 300ft. or so outdoors to some cameras. I'm not sure about all the pig tails and such, so any help with that would be great. I have pics if that would help. The setup would be mounted in a waterproof box on the roof of the one story building, and need to go about 300 feet to another one story building while also providing access to the building it is attached to (laptops). Hope that makes sense. Thanks for any assistance you can give! __________________ Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult.

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streaker69 Psychic Amish Stumbler Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginville, BlueBall, Bird In Hand, Intercourse, Paradise, PA Posts: 12,239	Check out the project Linksys Weatherproof Enclosures over on ChurchOfWifi for a way to mount gear in a weatherproof enclosure. Granted, it's not the same gear, but it might help you out in that aspect of your project. __________________ Treat your gun like your genitals, only whip it out when it's absolutely necessary.

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panda Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: SC Posts: 34	Great, thanks guys! Any ideas on the hardware? I'm thinking of going with a Cisco 1200 series AP and a 12db omni, but I'm not sure if the hardware will all fit together. Thoughts? __________________ Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult.

09-13-2005	#6 (permalink)
panda Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: SC Posts: 34	All very good questions! The main goal is to connect some remote cameras and to allow laptop connectivity. Eight nodes MAX on any given day. Far cameras are about 200 feet away outdoors. I think we've decided on a Cisco 1200 AP in a weather proof box, mounted on a pole up high on top of building one. A 12db omni will connect to it to give the range needed. The customer wants to go with non outdoor cameras and try them outdoors. The customer is always right! __________________ Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult.

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