Setting up a WAP for public use?

Eyecannon · 08-25-2002

Is there anything strikingly wrong with doing this? Assuming of course I secure all my shares, use strong passwords, etc.... I want to make my AP open so that wardrivers could use my connection when they are in the area. I don't think my ISP would care, as there would be no additional bandwidth.... anything I'm not considering?

blackwave · 08-25-2002

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Originally posted by Eyecannon
Is there anything strikingly wrong with doing this? Assuming of course I secure all my shares, use strong passwords, etc.... I want to make my AP open so that wardrivers could use my connection when they are in the area. I don't think my ISP would care, as there would be no additional bandwidth.... anything I'm not considering?

Greetings Eyecannon,

You would want to have a dedicated box that would be segmented and not on your private network.
NetStumbler.com Forums > Wireless Forums > Unix > firewall configuration with public AP
http://forums.netstumbler.com/showth...&threadid=3356

also there are quite a few threads on public APs:
NetStumbler.com Forums > Wireless Forums > Hardware > What do you suggest?
http://forums.netstumbler.com/showth...&threadid=3416
NetStumbler.com Forums > Misc Forums > News > Want to share Wi-Fi? Just ask
http://forums.netstumbler.com/showth...&threadid=3010

Eyecannon · 08-25-2002

kewl, thanks!

Eyecannon · 08-25-2002

I couldn't find anything in the ToS about wireless sharing... I can't see how it would be a problem, as they've never had any problems with my bandwidth use... I could set it up just to allow HTTP traffic perhaps....

blackwave · 08-25-2002

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Originally posted by Eyecannon
I couldn't find anything in the ToS about wireless sharing... I can't see how it would be a problem, as they've never had any problems with my bandwidth use... I could set it up just to allow HTTP traffic perhaps....

Sounds good, be sure to go over the lawyer-ese... but if you ISP doesn't care, sounds like you are good to go

The Others · 08-26-2002

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I could set it up just to allow HTTP traffic perhaps....

A massive bonus in terms of security as well.

jdobbs2001 · 08-26-2002

put a firewall inplace and only permit http access to the internet, drop everything else. Remember if someone abuses that connection to hack a remote website etc you bear full responsibility for damages and possible lawsuits.

packetattack · 08-26-2002

Many terms of agreements nowdays with cable and DSL providers forbid sharing your pipe with anyone else. Of course it remains to be seen if they can make that stick in a court.

Wy.

Find me @ www dot packetattack dot com

ziplock · 09-05-2002

I've heard that the facists at RoadRunner have been suspending people's service for sharing their access w/ WAPs. In your service agreement there's probably something about "reselling" your access and if they want to be pricks about it that's what they'll cite.

Basically, be prepared for them to come knocking on your door if you get too popular, then feign ignorance.

user0005 · 09-05-2002

he isn't "reselling" this bandwidth

hey eyecannon, when I get my setup I can have access, right?

Eyecannon · 09-06-2002

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Originally posted by user0005
he isn't "reselling" this bandwidth

hey eyecannon, when I get my setup I can have access, right?

No... I meant everybody BUT you!

user0005 · 09-06-2002

nice sig
and I'll just walk into your house and steal your bandwidth

ziplock · 09-06-2002

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Originally posted by user0005
he isn't "reselling" this bandwidth

hey eyecannon, when I get my setup I can have access, right?

I realize that he wouldn't be reselling his bandwidth, the point is (and the reason I put "reselling" in quotes) is because they (RoadRunner or whatever other ISP) can be liberal in their interpretation of their own SA.

The long and short of it is, they've been shutting people down for sharing their service w/ WiFi Hotspots and it doesn't matter if it's against the SA or not, they can make it against the SA at any time and it would be legal.

Thunderforge · 09-06-2002

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Originally posted by user0005
he isn't "reselling" this bandwidth

hey eyecannon, when I get my setup I can have access, right?

Not that this subject needs to be rehashed YET AGAIN, but it doesn't matter if he's not "reselling" it. He doesn't have to profit for it to violate the ISP TOS.

[devil's advocate]

Of course here is another approach. I have RoadRunner as my ISP. RR allows me to buy additional IP addresses. If I have two computers on my network, and pay for three IP addresses couldn't anyone stumbling to my connection use the third IP address legally under my TOS since my fees are based on the number of IP addresses I have the right to use, not which computers use them. This also implies no NATing being done on any of my equipment.

[/devil's advocate]

Eyecannon · 09-06-2002

I dunno, my ISP seems pretty liberal (dslextreme.com), so I could easily see them not caring. Also, I could find nothing about redistribution of bandwidth anywhere on their site... check it out for yourselves and tell me what you think.

08-25-2002	#1 (permalink)
Eyecannon Ward River Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Santa Monix Posts: 679	Setting up a WAP for public use? Is there anything strikingly wrong with doing this? Assuming of course I secure all my shares, use strong passwords, etc.... I want to make my AP open so that wardrivers could use my connection when they are in the area. I don't think my ISP would care, as there would be no additional bandwidth.... anything I'm not considering? __________________ No, officer, YOU are under arrest! http://eyecannon.com/wardrive.html

08-25-2002	#3 (permalink)
Eyecannon Ward River Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Santa Monix Posts: 679	kewl, thanks! __________________ No, officer, YOU are under arrest! http://eyecannon.com/wardrive.html

08-25-2002	#4 (permalink)
Eyecannon Ward River Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Santa Monix Posts: 679	I couldn't find anything in the ToS about wireless sharing... I can't see how it would be a problem, as they've never had any problems with my bandwidth use... I could set it up just to allow HTTP traffic perhaps.... __________________ No, officer, YOU are under arrest! http://eyecannon.com/wardrive.html

08-26-2002	#7 (permalink)
jdobbs2001 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 39	firewall put a firewall inplace and only permit http access to the internet, drop everything else. Remember if someone abuses that connection to hack a remote website etc you bear full responsibility for damages and possible lawsuits.

08-26-2002	#8 (permalink)
packetattack Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 74	Terms of Agreements Many terms of agreements nowdays with cable and DSL providers forbid sharing your pipe with anyone else. Of course it remains to be seen if they can make that stick in a court. Wy. Find me @ www dot packetattack dot com __________________ "Take advantage of the enemy's unreadiness, make your way by unexpected routes, and attack unguarded spots." Sun Tzu

09-05-2002	#9 (permalink)
ziplock Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 4	I've heard that the facists at RoadRunner have been suspending people's service for sharing their access w/ WAPs. In your service agreement there's probably something about "reselling" your access and if they want to be pricks about it that's what they'll cite. Basically, be prepared for them to come knocking on your door if you get too popular, then feign ignorance. __________________ Joe Harris

09-05-2002	#10 (permalink)
user0005 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4	he isn't "reselling" this bandwidth hey eyecannon, when I get my setup I can have access, right?

09-06-2002	#12 (permalink)
user0005 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4	nice sig and I'll just walk into your house and steal your bandwidth

09-06-2002	#15 (permalink)
Eyecannon Ward River Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Santa Monix Posts: 679	I dunno, my ISP seems pretty liberal (dslextreme.com), so I could easily see them not caring. Also, I could find nothing about redistribution of bandwidth anywhere on their site... check it out for yourselves and tell me what you think. __________________ No, officer, YOU are under arrest! http://eyecannon.com/wardrive.html

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