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Postby thundercatshoe » Tue Oct 01, 2002 9:43 am

im gonna post flyers for a meeting at blackcat and local night clubs.. i think we should all hangout some time and combine some efforts here...
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wardrive story in DC

Postby dcreporter » Fri Nov 22, 2002 2:11 pm

wayne slavin suggested i post something here.

just wondering whether anyone in the DC area would be willing to let a reporter and photographer tag along during a wardrive in the coming days.
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Re: wardrive story in DC

Postby captaindrewle » Fri Nov 22, 2002 3:50 pm

Woo! Just in time..

I just finished my pringles can antenna collection. Let's see here, I've got Original, Sour Cream & Onion, Sweet Mesquite BBQ, Cheezums, Pizzalicious, Spicy Cajun, Salt and Vinegar, Cheese & Onion, Ranch-Rageous, Reduced Fat, Fat Free, and oh.. of course Ridges.
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Postby nashr » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:22 am

Who do you write for? Can you show us some of your previous works so we have an idea of your "slant" on this sort of thing?
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Reporter looking for "ride-along" in Washington-DC area.

Postby jjkaczor » Tue Nov 26, 2002 10:53 am

For some reason, a Washington Times reporter has contacted me, he is reasonably well informed, and looking for someone willing to do a ride-along w/him & photographer.

Please feel free to contact him directly if you are interested.

Here is his contact info:
> > Bill Glanz
> > tech and telecom reporter
> > Washington Times
> > 202/636-4838
> > bglanz@WashingtonTimes.com
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Re: Reporter looking for "ride-along" in Washington-DC area.

Postby blackwave » Tue Nov 26, 2002 11:14 am

Bill Glanz has contacted quite a few WarDrivers by dredging sites and lists here and there... I have gotten quite a few emails requesting advice on what to do, here is what I reply with to those who ask:


We always hope that wardrivers will be put into good light opposed to the
bad light that we are constantly cast in (personally I would care to be
invisible to the media)... but the media lives in black and white, one is
either bad or good.

1. Chances are if you decline Bill's interview, he will move on to someone
else on the list. We have seen this occur more than once with several
members of the media. In some cases it is interesting to see they don't
research enough to understand aliases and contact both of the aliases...

2. Chances are your words will get bent and twisted, often being stated as
in some form of doubtful speculation such as "claims to be", "alleged", "de
facto", etc... something to throw mystery into the twist to hook the
readers... all general bullshit to anyone in the know, but seemingly a good
tip to the sheep out there... so expect to get burned at all costs...

3. Remember the Truth is the perception of what should be fact, not fact
itself... so many people may have many truths, but there will always be one
fact that derived so many truths...
The media will always go for "their" version of the truth, at all costs...

4. Realize that the reporter has no say on the final cut.. it is the editor
that will add some sensationalist title, and may edit the content a little
to make you appear like a dark devious knife throwing monkey....

5. Whatever you say will be mixed in with words like
hacker/warchalking/e-mail/WEP/malicious... even if you ask for it not to
be...

6. Please understand that you will be speaking to the media on the behalf of
no one but yourself, please do not associate yourself with any groups
(especially without their permission). Speak for yourself, but realize that
the media will interpret what you say as speaking for all wardrivers in
general...

7. If you feel you must still pursue this, FIRST research the site
http://www.washtimes.com/ and read as many of Bill Glanz's reports as you
can stand to see what you will probably read within your context... a
leopard cannot change it's spots..

8. Bill is going to try and play dumb, then come on stronger throughout your
interview, that is because he wants to make you whip out with something you
think you may know that he doesn't... it only feeds the flame really. Stay
in control at all times :)

9. Bill didn't start wondering anything, he was assigned this project. In
his email he appears to have thought this up, remember that media members do
not think. In fact he is going to try and feed you information to say, to
just say yes or no, or just to modify his statement... don't fall for these
tricks.

10. If you need more information please check out the FAQ on
http://www.worldwidewardrive.org/ and http://www.wardrivingisnotacrime.com/
I always refer to this definition of what wardriving is: "WarDriving v. The
benign act of locating and logging wireless access points while in motion. -
blackwave" ... the media will try and get to you to admit to warchalking,
wanting free internet, reading others email... remember they think you are
trying to impress them... you don't need to.. those in the community know
who you really are, and what you stand for...


11. Whatever you choose, I sincerely wish you the best of luck. Feel free to
send me a copy of what you intend to respond with him or discuss, I will be
more than happy to proof it, as I have proofed many others who have been
approached and published. Nevertheless, if your article does get published
please let me know :)

Good luck!
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also here is either the same, or different reporter looking for the same thing...

Postby blackwave » Tue Nov 26, 2002 11:19 am

NetStumbler.com Forums > Wireless Forums > Other Stumblers > wardrive story in DC
http://forums.netstumbler.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4565
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Postby blackwave » Tue Nov 26, 2002 11:21 am

nashr,

Chances are it is Bill Glanz, read more here:

NetStumbler.com Forums > Wireless Forums > Other Stumblers > Reporter looking for "ride-along" in Washington-DC area.
http://forums.netstumbler.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4619
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Postby Mr.White » Tue Nov 26, 2002 11:50 am

Well said, Blackwave.
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Postby renderman » Tue Nov 26, 2002 12:53 pm

We always hope that wardrivers will be put into good light opposed to the
bad light that we are constantly cast in (personally I would care to be
invisible to the media)... but the media lives in black and white, one is
either bad or good.


Good sentiment.

Personally, As long as they are interested, use them. Just make sure to do your best to convince them we are not evil. Media is a nessecary evil, but they can help reach joe 'linksys' sixpack and get him to RTFM.

It's proven useful so far. I had an atricle on my wardriving on the local news station at the beginning of the month. Afterwards I noticed a 7-10% jump in the use of WEP.

Some people do actually learn from these articles.
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Postby jjkaczor » Tue Nov 26, 2002 8:07 pm

Hi BW/Render!

I agree with you both.

This is the "media-age", you can't ignore them, you have to at least know how to "handle" them. Be "media-aware", and that is not a bad thing, know how to handle them in terms of getting a message out there, and getting your point across.

Sometimes they can be useful, sometimes not. I really had to laugh at how the TV crew switched identifies on both Renderman and myself, and how they still managed to screw up my name.

However, OTOH, currently Canada has a more liberal attitude towards "hackers", while the US has a little-more paranoia. So, perhaps you have to tread a little more lightly there, than here.

Again, it depends as well on your perspective, white-hat/black-hat, whether or not you actually WANT media involvement.

For myself, I look at the general market for Operating Systems/Security/Networking and see that we have an innovative, bubbling mass of activity... This is good... Regulating it is bad... Goverments are already trying to control more and more aspects of the frontier. This is bad, it will only stiffle creativity. So, I look at 802.11(a|b), and say... hey, if enough "joe-six pack" users expose enough "virtually untraceable" attack points, someone with some authority is bound to regulate...

Look, at one point anyone could drive a car without a "state-issued" license. When enough fools smashed into each other, the "state" determined that the fools needed to know at least a minimum to operate a motor vehicle... I'd like to avoid the same scenario in the infosec realm...
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Wireless Warriors

Postby blackwave » Tue Dec 17, 2002 10:57 am

... and here it is...

Wireless warriors
http://www.washtimes.com/business/20021209-31727864.htm

good job to all who did respond with positive comments and to bill writing about something without adding layers of sensationalism :) though next time bill "wardriver" is one word...

Also bill, you may want to check your history of the WorldWide WarDrive here :
http://www.worldwidewardrive.org/codrive1.html
regarding this quote:
Originally written by Bill Glanz
"It's a very geeky pastime," said Jason Kaczor, 29, a Canadian who organized the WorldWide War-Drive, a grass-roots effort to count the number of wireless networks in North America.
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Wireless Warriors

Postby blackwave » Tue Dec 17, 2002 10:58 am

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Re: Wireless Warriors

Postby jjkaczor » Wed Jan 01, 2003 8:33 pm

Also bill, you may want to check your history of the WorldWide WarDrive here :
http://www.worldwidewardrive.org/codrive1.html
regarding this quote: [/B][/QUOTE]

Thanks for the followup BW. Not bad except for the attribution error Bill. Well, that and the fact that in November I was 29, but in December - 30, but hey... never thought I'd hit 30, my childhood life expectency was 15, so I won't quibble over a year or two.
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Re: Re: Wireless Warriors

Postby c-mag » Wed Jan 01, 2003 9:29 pm

Originally posted by jjkaczor


in November I was 29, but in December - 30,



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