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Bluetooth support for net stumbler - Bluestumbler?

Postby Rexworthy » Thu Mar 13, 2003 1:06 am

With the advent of Personal Area Networks, and the increased interoperability and adoption of Bluetooth for internetworking, vendors are now producing bluetooth LAN access points.

As an information security specialist I can see the need for Auditing and penetration testing for Bluetooth devices. To this end a bluetooth version or support to scan for bluetooth within netstumbler would be very usefull. I for one would want a copy immediately!

Bluestumbler anybody?
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Postby TheSovereign » Thu Mar 13, 2003 1:12 am

bluetooth is kinda going away no one is really supporting it cept for macs

maybe in the future it will be bigger but right now i dont think their are any stationary bluetooth objects other than macs
i would say labtops but obviously those arent stationary

other than that marius has taken a break from development
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Postby Mr.White » Thu Mar 13, 2003 8:18 am

Isn't bluetooth range really crappy anyway?
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Range is not the issue - insecurity is.

Postby Rexworthy » Thu Mar 13, 2003 8:33 am

Well Bluetooth was designed for PAN (Personal Area Networking) for local devices working together without wires so the range was never intended to be vast however various manufacturers quote different ranges from 10 to (believe it or not) 100 metres.

I agree that this will be of little desire to those wanting to war-walk and find new public access points, however as the head of IT for an organisation I AM concerned about people adding a network access point that is not secure, near the edge of the building and allowing anyone (within range) unrestricted access to my network. Here in the UK it IS being done and there are to date no known good (if any) auditing tools.
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Postby chemman14 » Tue Mar 18, 2003 8:33 am

i dont think bluetooth is going away
its actually just starting to pickup
microsoft now has bluetooth wireless mice and keyboards
and jabra (i think thats the name of the company) recently released a blue tooth headset for phones that have the feature
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Postby aztecnology » Wed Mar 26, 2003 9:22 pm

Great, now we can import mice and keyboards into map point - not.
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Postby The Others » Mon May 26, 2003 3:27 pm

Originally posted by chemman14
microsoft now has bluetooth wireless mice and keyboards


Sorry, I'm a little late picking up on this thread.

Microsoft now has bluetooth wireless mice and keyboards???

This is madness, MS refused to support BT in its OS' because of fears of it being an unreliable technology (like MS would never release one of them...), but now they release BT hardware? It's crazy. Someone needs to decide what the MS policy on BT is. I heard it was because it would take away the value of MS features such as address book because users could insted use the books on mobile phones. To save the MS address book they refused to support BT. :confused:

Bluetooth rocks. Admitably, this isn't the place to be asking for a BT stumbler but it still is very good. I use it every day. It's fun.
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Postby digitaldd » Tue May 27, 2003 10:25 am

if you have a bluetooth enabled cell phone and a bluetooth adapter for your PDA/laptop you can always have internet access. in some areas its pretty high speed too 144kbps or so..
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Postby The Others » Tue May 27, 2003 10:37 am

9.6 kbps for me... :(

Oh well, it does what I need. It could be a bit quicker if I used GPRS. That's expensive though, and not as good as cracked up to be.

That's what I use every day. Email on the train? In the car? On a boat? No problemo.
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Postby trash0 » Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:28 pm

...so there I was.. cruizin the local computer market looking for new toys, and for quite a while now I have just ignored bluetooth ... Pfft ! What good is a 1mW device I says to my self.
But today is a new day and something catches my eye. 100 metre Class 1 bluetooth USB dongle. Hmmm. 100m away from some yuppie with a fancy new phone could be pretty funny. So I buy it.
I've since discovered that not only does my boss's phone use bluetooth, so does his laptop, even his BMW car. In fact, I'm becoming more and more supprised as to the number of things that are not "optical line of sight" remote controlled.

Wow, this little dongle can really kick arse. Time to take it to the next level.
100m ?? Pfft.. I can do better than that. Lets give this sucker >20db gain antenna. My 1.5m C-Band 802.11a antenna is easily accessable at the moment. I'll just do a quick bodge job on it and see if I can pick up anything from the local shopping mall 500m away.
Already I can now pick up devices, but they are rather unreliable. It seems that while I have a nice antenna, the other end of the deal is moving and rotating in all sorts of undesirable directions. An unforseen problem.

Anyhow, I can see this going a lot further when I iron out a few of the bugs.
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Postby King_Ice_Flash » Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:39 am

trash0 wrote:...so there I was.. cruizin the local computer market looking for new toys, and for quite a while now I have just ignored bluetooth ... Pfft ! What good is a 1mW device I says to my self.
But today is a new day and something catches my eye. 100 metre Class 1 bluetooth USB dongle. Hmmm. 100m away from some yuppie with a fancy new phone could be pretty funny. So I buy it.
I've since discovered that not only does my boss's phone use bluetooth, so does his laptop, even his BMW car. In fact, I'm becoming more and more supprised as to the number of things that are not "optical line of sight" remote controlled.

Wow, this little dongle can really kick arse. Time to take it to the next level.
100m ?? Pfft.. I can do better than that. Lets give this sucker >20db gain antenna. My 1.5m C-Band 802.11a antenna is easily accessable at the moment. I'll just do a quick bodge job on it and see if I can pick up anything from the local shopping mall 500m away.
Already I can now pick up devices, but they are rather unreliable. It seems that while I have a nice antenna, the other end of the deal is moving and rotating in all sorts of undesirable directions. An unforseen problem.

Anyhow, I can see this going a lot further when I iron out a few of the bugs.


If you really need more range, get a better dish. That one is a very bad design. Make sure you calculate the focal point of the dish too. Mount the dish to a permanent structure, and if you can get your hands on one, use a motorized telescope stand to do the adjustments. The high gain antennas are difficult to aim, and this may make. The range on those devices doesn't mean anything. They may be able to transmit that far, but the device on the other end needs to be able to transmit that far and your receiver must be sensitive enough to read that signal. Also obstructions in the line of sight and Fresnel zone are going to affect the signal. You may get better results by finding a small dish and putting a reflector behind the wireless device.
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Circular Polarization

Postby bhenderson » Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:13 pm

Try and make a circularly polarized antenna - you will lose 20 db with mismatched vertical to horizontal polarization, but if you have a circularly polarized antenna, you will lose only 3db whether vertical or horizontal.
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