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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:05 am
by Starpoint
Barry wrote:That and there was a case fairly close to where I used to live about a guy leaching from a public library's wifi after hours to play W.O.W. The library staff thought the wifi turned itself off at night, which is what they ordered. It didn't and the dude was kicking up their bill.


I just set up some AP's at my church and programmed them with the MAC;s of the approved laptops.

I was thinking about getting some with a set up schedule for turning on and off the radio, but then I thought - "why not just buy some programmable power plug things for lights and use them? "

it would save money and offer the ability to change AP's and use anyone's

PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:21 am
by Barry
Scruge wrote:If it gets any worse I'm moving further south, like Chile.:mad:


Our HR chick sent me this one this morning...


I called my stockbroker and asked him what I should be buying.






















He said, "Canned goods and ammunition".

PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:06 pm
by streaker69
Barry wrote:
He said, "Canned goods and ammunition".


I just canned a bushel of beans over the weekend. I'm going old school.

Already stocked up on Ammo.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:09 pm
by Airstreamer
streaker69 wrote:I just canned a bushel of beans over the weekend. I'm going old school.

Already stocked up on Ammo.


Primers are almost impossible to find, either. :(

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:35 am
by lagoausente
Yes, we pay tolls on our roads. In addition to tolls, we pay use taxes for the roads.

The lights on the street are paid for by local payments. Do you think it's all free?


Yes, here they do the same, so some of the taxes are going for this networks on libraries.
Regarding health, here there are people who uses private health, and private pension plans, but there are cases where some people if they have some sickness are not accepted by the companies, or even they are taked out the company if they anticipate the client will have health problems soon, and they will loose money. And that are big companies, who wants to if they know your are ok, and kick you if they anticipate you´ll need their services. And some guys have to go to public health anyway.
Discussion about socialism/capitalism usually ends in preconception thoughts about both typologies. One example, not so long ago, G.W. Bush , before elections claimed for an urgent "public money" transaction to save wall street and the sistem. AIG if I know correctly is a super big insurance company, that was go to bankrupt, so what to trust? Is not that socialist losses but private profits?
I don´t trust socialism and taxes, but nor companies.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:51 am
by Thorn
lagoausente wrote:Yes, here they do the same, so some of the taxes are going for this networks on libraries.
Regarding health, here there are people who uses private health, and private pension plans, but there are cases where some people if they have some sickness are not accepted by the companies, or even they are taked out the company if they anticipate the client will have health problems soon, and they will loose money. And that are big companies, who wants to if they know your are ok, and kick you if they anticipate you´ll need their services. And some guys have to go to public health anyway.
Discussion about socialism/capitalism usually ends in preconception thoughts about both typologies. One example, not so long ago, G.W. Bush , before elections claimed for an urgent "public money" transaction to save wall street and the sistem. AIG if I know correctly is a super big insurance company, that was go to bankrupt, so what to trust? Is not that socialist losses but private profits?
I don´t trust socialism and taxes, but nor companies.

I trust companies long before I trust government. Governments are motivated by power, which is dishonest by nature. Companies are profit motivated, which is honest.

As far as "public health", the ONLY interest that the any government should have in health is the prevention of the spread of disease. Treating individuals is nothing but socialism. Socialism, by it's very nature is nothing more than robbing those who are smart enough to accrue money, in order to provide for those who are too stupid to do so.

As far as AIG, GM, etc., goes, the "too big to fail" line is a lie. Nothing is too big to fail. If a company is unprofitable it should naturally fail. The problem was the politicians feared loosing votes because they would be perceived as not having done "something" about the economy. All they did do was screw things up even worse.

Read Ayn Rand, and you may have a glimpse into what I'm talking about.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:01 pm
by streaker69
lagoausente wrote:Yes, here they do the same, so some of the taxes are going for this networks on libraries.
Regarding health, here there are people who uses private health, and private pension plans, but there are cases where some people if they have some sickness are not accepted by the companies, or even they are taked out the company if they anticipate the client will have health problems soon, and they will loose money. And that are big companies, who wants to if they know your are ok, and kick you if they anticipate you´ll need their services. And some guys have to go to public health anyway.
Discussion about socialism/capitalism usually ends in preconception thoughts about both typologies. One example, not so long ago, G.W. Bush , before elections claimed for an urgent "public money" transaction to save wall street and the sistem. AIG if I know correctly is a super big insurance company, that was go to bankrupt, so what to trust? Is not that socialist losses but private profits?
I don´t trust socialism and taxes, but nor companies.


To quote Dan Akroyd from the movie Tommy Boy:

You've seen "Daktari"?
The weaker animals always go.

So the kids cry when you tie an old
tiger to a tree and shoot him.

But that's life!
America's in a state of renewal.

We've gotta have the strength to
tie a few factories to a tree

and bash 'em with a shovel.


The companies should have been left to fail, if they made poor business decisions that's their problem. No where in the constitution does it grant the powers to any part of the government to give tax payer money to private entities in the way it was done.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:15 pm
by lagoausente
I trust companies long before I trust government. Governments are motivated by power, which is dishonest by nature. Companies are profit motivated, which is honest.


I don´t agree. I think that companies are motivated by power aswell, and goverments often obey company interests in many cases.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:21 pm
by streaker69
lagoausente wrote:I don´t agree. I think that companies are motivated by power aswell, and goverments often obey company interests in many cases.


But a company cannot take your rights away from you, the government can and does, all the time.

If you don't like a company, you don't need to patronize them, but a government you're pretty much forced to through taxes, if you don't pay your taxes you go to jail.

I'd trust companies before I'd trust the government.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:09 am
by G8tK33per
Da' gub'ment sucks, regardless of which party is in power.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:12 am
by Beard
G8tK33per wrote:Da' folks makin' a lifetime job in da gub'ment sucks, regardless of which party is in power.

Fixed.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:51 am
by streaker69
Beard wrote:Fixed.


there should be term limits on all elected positions.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:43 am
by Thorn
streaker69 wrote:there should be term limits on all elected positions.
Absolutely. If you can't get it done in two terms, you're either stupid or inept. Or, as in the case with most politicians, both. Two terms would make the House totally new every 6 years, and the Senate new every 18 years.

Personally, I might extend it out to four terms for single-year positions (e.g. in local or state governments), but that's about it.

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:50 am
by jauguston
A good start to fixing our political problems would be to not allow ANYONE with a law degree to be elected to congress.

Jim

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:58 am
by Thorn
jauguston wrote:A good start to fixing our political problems would be to not allow ANYONE with a law degree to be elected to congress.

Jim
Whoa there! That would block a majority of the most unethical people in the country from entering politics. That's awful damned radical!